Star Ocean 5 Creators Changed Miki’s Panties To Avoid Western Criticism

Tuesday, March 29th, 2016

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In an interview with 4Gamer, Star Ocean 5 character designer Akira Yasuda, director Hiroshi Ogawa, and producer Shuichi Kobayashi explained that due to Western concerns about the clothing on female characters, they have altered Miki’s panties, citing an ongoing trend where designers have to make revisions for characters who show lots of skin. You can see the difference in the before and after pictures, they look more bunched up now.  So why was this change made for Miki and not for Fiore, who wears a sexier outfit?  Akira Yasuda explains:  “Fiore uses a lot of displayed crests on her skin to cast curses. That was part of her setting.”

Here are the before and after pictures:

Star Ocean 5 | Before Panties

Before

Star Ocean 5 | After Panties

After

It should also be noted that these changes are being made to both the original Japanese release and the localized Western version of Star Ocean 5.

My take: This is an ugly situation, in more ways than one. Japanese Star Ocean fans were not too happy (warning: language) to hear their game was being changed to protect Western sensibilities. Aside from that, the change itself is ugly. Poor Miki now looks like she’s wearing diapers rather than proper underwear. What a mess.

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About Joe Sigadel

Joe is the reporting manager for oprainfall, he is also a broadcaster on Twitch and loves showing off many of the games we report about on his channel. He has also been known to defended Senran Kagura from those who only want to accept it at face value.




  • Nathan Wallace

    I hate my country.

    I mean this is small, but I really wish the SJW’s, femenazi’s and PC police weren’t pandered to.

    • Infophile

      Okay, come on, “Femenazi”? You’re implicitly comparing editing a video game to have less sexy undergarments to genocide. Sure, I get that you think it’s bad, but when you make a comparison like this, you trivialize the analog – in this case, you’re trivializing the Holocaust to take a swipe at people.

    • Brimfyre

      Don’t watch Seinfeld.

      No comedy for you!

    • Nathan Wallace

      Have you been living under a rock? Feminazi is a pretty run of the mill term for the feminists who demand their ideology be imposed on all aspects of our society. In a way, a cultural genocide. Probably not too uncalled for really, but you should really try to understand a comment before responding to it with such nonsense like you did. You don’t like the term, that’s fine, I get that, but I didn’t make it and I won’t “Not use it” because you’d rather it be that way. I don’t adhere to language police.

    • Neckto

      How’s the “rock”?

    • Mr0303

      Yeah, I mean it is not like radical feminists have said to put men in camps.

      http://www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/9/7/an-interview-with-julie-bindel

      Oh, wait…

    • Neckto

      NICE!

    • TeLin特林

      “I would have to respectfully disagree regarding your perceived plan in regards to feminists Nazi like plan to takeover the world.”

      >Opinion in regards to Nazi-like ideas…

      “NICE!”

    • Neckto

      I don’t get it, why are you getting so excited about it. Yes it was nice, I liked how @Mr0303 responded with a link. I’m sorry, for some odd reason I have a keyboard and I can type things, no Nazi can stop me.

    • TeLin特林

      “Excited”

      I think you need a new dictionary 😉

    • Neckto

      I probably do, any suggestions?

    • Richard Miller

      The feminists seem to have the same plan to gain power like the Nazi did.

    • Infophile

      I see we’ve officially left reality firmly in the rear-view mirror. Well… this could be entertaining, if nothing else. Go ahead! Please, explain to me – preferably by connecting to actual historical events in the rise of the Nazi party to power – what the feminists plan to do. For maximum entertainment value, be sure to use the term “cultural genocide,” which Nathan Wallace above has generously introduced me to.

    • Richard Miller

      Well these rich white women try to pretend they are second class citizens even they have more power than everyone else. They try to gain even more power by spreading fear to other women by telling them all men(especially black men) are rapists. And to make it worse they try to make their gain for power and control seem justified by making up the boogie man known as the patriarchy. Nazis did pretty much the same things but just replace men with jews. Ignorance always help evil gain more power.

    • Neckto

      I’m new to this game thingy forum, but it seems like you’re starting to sway away from the article in hand. All I see, as far as this particular game and article, is concerning how Western market has specific standards that are true to censorship laws in order to protect the youth. Hence the whole less visual sexually explicit content on this video game that depicts young Asian girls. Which, I might add seem to be more attractive to a pedo than any other nationality. If you have a problem with rich white women, sorry you feel this way. But in general all women are not as strong as their male counterparts, of course there are some exceptions to any rule.

    • Richard Miller

      I have no problem with the rich white women that runs the world. I just have a problem with feminist as all they do is lie and manipulate stupid people using fear. Any form of censorship is bad and I will always fight against it at all cost.

    • Neckto

      Well, good for you than.

    • Infophile

      So… basically what Donald Trump is doing right now, just with a few groups swapped out. He’s actually claimed that Mexican immigrants are primarily murderers and rapists. Can you point to a feminist running for President who’s made a comparable claim?

    • Nathan Wallace

      Hillary Clinton “Women are the primary victims of war cause they lose their sons, their fathers and the husbands” Yeah. Sounds like they’re the primary victims. Or how about Justin Trudeau, the man who believes giving women a 1 in 3 chance of making it on cabinet and giving men a 1 in 10 chance is equality. That’s privilige if I ever heard it. You don’t have to say something that sounds overtly racist to be racist. If you ask me Trudeau is doing worse for true equality then trump ever would.

      Also, taking trump out of context or even using him in the conversation is entirely unrelated to the point, but given you’re so strongly anti-trump it’s no shock to me that you are one of the many language police we see around the internet these days, and your kind is not built to survive this type of environment.

    • Infophile

      Neither of those claims is remotely comparable. Saying that a group of people is primarily victimized does not make one a Nazi. By your logic, I could say “Jews were the primary victims of the Holocaust” and that would make me a nazi!

    • Nathan Wallace

      I like how you still just don’t get it. Is it hard to be that dense? lol

    • Infophile

      Talking to yourself is a bad habit, particularly in text posts on the internet. If I didn’t know better, I’d say you were addressing that to me.

    • Nathan Wallace

      That’s a yes if I ever heard one. Thanks for being so hung up on PC ideology that you’re not capable of having a real conversation with. You’re a real benefit to the human race.

    • Richard Miller

      Hillary Clinton is a feminist running for president and unlike Trump who said things you didn’t like she has done things that you wouldn’t like. For example Hillary Clinton pays people to smear her opponents. What a shock another rich white women that keeps everyone down while she raises herself up. Hillary Clinton is also a huge liar and a bitch.

    • Nathan Wallace

      I second the Liar and Bitch comment. Can we add “Idiot” to this list too?

    • Nathan Wallace

      Haven’t left reality at all. You understand Hitler mobilized germany against the jews by painting them as an overpriviliged group just as radical feminists do to men right?

    • Neckto

      I would have to respectfully disagree regarding your perceived plan in regards to feminists Nazi like plan to takeover the world.

    • Richard Miller

      They don’t plan to take over the world as they already control most of the world. The UN is bowing to the feminists now for god sakes.

    • Neckto

      Move to Russia Federation or other place where they hate your country, or if you live in Federalized Russian state mafia you’re pretty much faqed.

    • Nathan Wallace

      I’d rather win my country back from the hands of these radicals.

    • Guest

      Sucks that all versions became like that. I mean it definitely is a small thing, but since it IS a small thing, why do people bother with it so much.

  • Adachi

    Why also the JP version? Are they crazy? Nobody here in Japan buys console games anymore except for the otakus since the general population moved on to mobile. So making this particular crowd angry is really not a smart business move.

    • David S

      It’s to sidestep the argument that we shouldn’t have a censored version in the west compared to JP release. If they censor it beforehand everywhere, then that argument can’t be used. (probably because it’s an argument they have no real defense against, and they’re tired of losing it)

    • Adachi

      Well that’s assuming that a niche jrpg like this is supposed to sell better in the west than in Japan, which is obviously not happening. Always prioritize your biggest potential market, even mediocre business people know that.

    • David S

      Square has been acting weird like this for the last year or so, and they’re feeling a lot of heat due to what going on with NA/EU release of Bravely Second right now. But things like this, plus previous statements from SE, make me very worried for the FF7 remake.

    • Adachi

      I already gave up hope on the FF7 remake as soon as I heard “episodic.” It’s a good thing FFXV has a fujoshi-pandering main cast though, or else they would have butchered that too.

    • Ragnawind

      If they prioritized Japan with this sort of mindset, the West would never receive the games in the first place, then. I would rather them self-censor for everywhere than not release in certain areas at all. This also isn’t really all that bad.

    • Adachi

      umm, no

    • David S

      Yeah, sorry, that’s not how it works. Not at all.

    • Ragnawind

      It seems some people don’t know how a Global Market works, then, still.

    • Keichi Morisato

      i don’t play Japanese games to play a western game, which is why i haven’t touched Dragon’s Dogma or any of the Souls games.

  • darkgamer001

    An ugly situation indeed.
    This needs to be targeted, asap.
    Right now, these Japanese devs seem to only have access to SJWs/SJW localizers, and auto-assume that they represent Western gamers in their entirety.
    We need to campaign to raise awareness.
    No, leave your petitions at home, no one cares about them.
    – I’m talking about finding native/proficient speakers in Japanese who can help us organize things like write-in campaigns for example
    – We need more contact with Japanese gaming media outlets to report our views (baby steps have been made in this area, but more needs to be done)
    – We need journalists with the proverbial balls to bring these issues up when interviewing said developers.
    As I said, for Japanese devs right now…SJWs = entire Western consumer base.
    They’re not going to take the time out of their hectic work schedule to actually research things unless the reality is presented to them in a clear manner.

  • David S

    I didn’t think this censorship kick could get any worse. We’re now beginning to see companies pre-censor games due to what they think are western standards (they are not) even for the JP release. And who are they getting this feedback from? It’ doesn’t seem to be the player base that actually plays these games.

    • Firefox

      It’s reviewers. They don’t want to be panned in reviews so they listen to reviewers over their customers. It’s hilarious that review sites like christcenteredgamer are less hard on issues like this in comparison to mainstream review sites.

  • Vanadise

    I feel like the best solution to this problem would be to make her underwear customizable so that you could collect different sets of panties over the course of the game and switch them out at will; then, they could just change the default set in the Western release to a pair named “Grandma Panties,” with the description “Designed to protect your delicate sensibilities.”

    But instead all I can do is hope that this generation of crybullies grows up and gets real jobs quickly so that they can’t spend all day on the internet dictating morality.

    • While that’s a solution, I’m sure you know that SJWs/feminists operate on a “if I personally hate it then no-one else can get to have it and enjoy it” mentality.

      Having a ‘SJW Mode’ filter option has always been an idea that’s been banded around, but from what I’ve seen, SJWs won’t accept this. Which really does expose them to be the bigoted and intolerant authoritarians they are

  • PanurgeJr

    Dear everyone:

    There’s no such thing as a SJW. There isn’t some mass movement that hates you or that wants to dictate how you consume your media. It’s just a codeword reactionary neo-GamerGaters use when they want to censor those they disagree with. Nobody who uses it should complain about censorship, for they are in fact doing more to censor others than is being done to them.

    And, of course, censorship being bad, I won’t censor myself now, and I expect every one of you to stand up and applaud the bold, anti-censorship stance I’m taking:

    Fuck you, Operation Rainfall, and fuck all of you assholes whose loud, angry, reactionary politics (yes, you’re being political even though you’re too fucking stupid to realize it) is making the market less conducive to having niche games come west. Good fucking job undermining your own fucking mission.

    • Joe

      I have done no such thing, and I don’t appreciate your rudeness. Every time in these comments you have come across as combative, and I’ve given you more than one chance to be civil. Nor did I use the word SJW anywhere in my article. If something gets altered in a video game our readers are interested, it’s our duty as reporters to report on it.

    • Rover

      I completely agree that you should report it. But I don’t understand why you’re injecting your opinion into a news piece? Especially since Steve recently told disgruntled readers that news pieces never contain opinion. When you put your opinion into this, it sets a certain tone to it, and it no longer feels like news to me – it feels like I’m visiting NicheGamer.

    • Joe

      We had an internal talk about this, and we decided collectively that it was alright for everyone to insert “My take” opinions at the bottom of articles where we saw fit, kind of like how Game Informer does it.

    • Rover

      I suppose that is much better than the way it was before.

    • Joe

      Our feelings were that we didn’t want to just be a ‘dry’ news site. We want all our contributors to be able to express themselves to some degree. And I promise you we’re not all of the same mind on everything. We get into it now and then behind the scenes. 😉

    • David S

      Opinions are not really a bad thing unless they are passed off as facts. I like OpRainfalls method because they keep the opinion portion separate, and clearly labeled, from the rest of the article. Most other news site mix the two together and it’s hard to tell which is which.

    • Rover

      I agree – I don’t think any opinion is bad. It’s clearly labeled now, but before (and, as far as I could tell, only Joe labeled it), you couldn’t tell where opinion ended and news began. I will agree that this way is better.

    • Neckto

      I’m sorry, I’m new here, but I see @PanurgeJr:disqus’s point regarding double standard censorship issue.

    • Vanadise

      Where is the double standard here? Has Operation Rainfall been censoring localized games?

    • Neckto

      Character was not censored, it was just made more westernized, to abide to what market dictates. @PanurgeJr:disqus pointed out how people who complain about censorship attempting to censor others and their opinions.

    • Vanadise

      “Censorship” is when words, images, or ideas are removed for moral, political, or military reason. Even if the creator of the work did it, self-censorship is still censorship. Just because you can label something as “Westernization” or saying “the market dictated it” does not somehow make it not censorship. If you’re unclear on the matter, I recommend reading what the ACLU has to say: https://www.aclu.org/what-censorship

      However, that’s beside the point, because nobody here actually even called it censorship until PanurgeJr came along to start a fight. My question is, where is the actual double standard? He’s accused people who complain about censorship of attempting to censor others, but I have seen none of that here. Can you point out any examples?

    • Neckto

      “self-censorship is still censorship” even if one does not explicitly calls it censorship. If it looks like @PanurgeJr:disqus fighting without saying ‘I am fighting’. is it fighting? If changing underwear to be less reviling in order to avoid future legal entanglement due to censorship laws in the western world, it is both westernized and censored even if developers do not claim this was their intent.
      I do like your idea, from previous comment of different underwear as you progress with in the game.

    • Lunastaria SpiritDiva

      It isn’t ‘westernized’ if no one in the West wanted it changed! The people who don’t buy video games and won’t ever play it, don’t count as what the West wants.

      Most of us enjoy the games just fine, and who really plays around and fiddles with the camara on purpose, most of us don’t even see the “panty” shots to begin with! We just see normal looking jrpg avatars walking around a screen…

    • PanurgeJr

      And I gave Operation Rainfall every chance to quit pandering to the everything-is-censorship crowd, yet once again, here you are.

      Are you familiar with Godwin’s Law, which states that in every argument somebody will eventually accuse the other of being worse than Hitler? Well one of the crowd OR seems so desperate to cultivate once took that a step further when responding to one of my comments. Instead of saying I was a Nazi he called himself a Nazi and, invoking their authority, told me I was commanded to be quiet. And before you become an apologist and claim it must simply have been trolling, one, he was quite serious, and two, how could trolling possibly justify such a comment? It can’t. Do you want to know OR’s response, you who don’t appreciate my rudeness? It was:

      Nonexistent.

      Not one word of rebuke, not one word of anything whatsoever. Nobody distanced themselves from someone who voluntarily identified with the most evil regime to have ever existed. You got the clicks, so I assume that was enough for you.

      So yes, I’m combative. Because stating that not all localization is censorship has greeted me with insult upon insult. Because watching OR descend from a group of people wanting to play a great JRPG to a group of people accepting what the most reactionary dictate has been painful. And because I fucking feel like it.

      One last note: I am well fucking aware that you didn’t fucking use the term SJW in your fucking article. I knew the commenters fucking would; feel free to fucking count them if you don’t fucking believe me. But you don’t have to explicitly write “SJW” to cater to those who see them everywhere, and claiming you never said anything about SJWs is merely an attempt to distract people from recognizing who your target audience really is.

      But you knew that already, right?

      Actually, I kinda fucking doubt it.

      #uncensored

    • Mr0303
    • Joe

      Do you realize how crazy you sound right now? I don’t believe I’m pandering to anyone. And I’m certainly not going to change the reporting direction of this site just because you think I’m trying to appease GG. Like it or not, (and I know you don’t), they’re a part of our readership. I suggest you try to learn to get along with each other rather than starting fights in the comment sections. And by the way, if it hasn’t sunk in for you that negative game changes for the West is a problem, you need to wake up.

    • Neckto

      How negative was it, really? If making buttocks of a character that looks like a minor less reviling is a negative change, then what would be a positive change? You know, some play games for the story line just to have fun. And so to say, that ‘you’ have to make sure that we get alone with each other sounds little iffy, Nazi-like.
      I would embrace honesty of this @PanurgeJr:disqus’s comment, it is not always you get someone who’s on point. In some cultures it is a norm to have rules that protect innocence. We must learn from each other, no matter how much honesty rattles one’s cage. Shutting out an opinionated person is not a win it is a loss. It’s also a bad business practice, look how many people commented because of one unconformable word, which is ‘censorship’.

    • Joe

      I’m not shutting out his opinion, because he’s still allowed to comment here. And I never used the words ‘have to’. He’s a troll, and you would do well to quit defending him.

    • Neckto

      And I respect your opinion.

    • Lunastaria SpiritDiva

      They didn’t make it less revealing, they made it look terrible. Characters shouldn’t be wearing diapers in rpg games.

    • Neckto

      They should’ve added skid marks.

    • PanurgeJr

      Again, the missing of the point. When I was told my Nazi overlord commanded my silence, no word from Operation Rainfall that the overlord should find a way to get along with me. No word from you in this thread to the commenter who called me a sociopath. But plenty of words for me. I’m not surprised I sound crazy to you because you’ve yet to demonstrate you understand what I’ve been trying to get at for months.

      So I’ll spell it out. I like Japanese games. I want as many to come west as possible. That requires, among other things, as little risk for publishers as possible. But the louder and angrier people are, regardless of which side they identify with (and in reality there is only one side, the loud, angry one) the riskier publishing is. The less it happens. The fewer the games I get to play. The fewer you get to play. Loud and angry must be resisted if you are actually interested in the games and not the politics of entitlement and offense, and loud and angry can be found in spades at Operation Rainfall. Loud and angry undermine your mission, and if it hasn’t sunk in that that’s a problem, you need to wake up.

    • Joe

      I think people have every right to be angry about this if they want to be. You can stay angry too, if that’s what suits you. Nothing I say gets to you. You are an impenetrable wall of arrogance and condescension, and no longer worth wasting words on.

    • PanurgeJr

      This time, believing that failure to agree is failure to understand, an arrogant and condescending belief. And saying I am not worth wasting words on is a claim that belies itself.

    • Lunastaria SpiritDiva

      *sigh* Agreed, as a fan of artwork, censorship really offends me. My game collection should be a work of art, not ridiculously ugly characters, just to avoid “offending” people who will never buy the game to begin with.

    • Neckto

      This’s some sick shiaaaaaaaaaT!

    • Vanadise

      > Because stating that not all localization is censorship has greeted me with insult upon insult.

      No, and most people aren’t even insulting you unless you consider “SJW” an insult, which nobody mentioned until you brought it up. The reason you make people angry is because you’re constantly trying to redefine the word “censorship,” and you are obsessed with it to the point that you’re willing to completely derail any discussion into an argument over the definition of the word “censorship” and then start insulting people when absolutely everybody else disagrees with you.

      This article doesn’t even use the term “censor” anywhere in it. You were the first commenter to use the term. You start fights and then act indignant when people fight you. Perhaps you should try setting your personal pet peeve aside and discussing the actual subject at hand?

    • Vanadise

      Dude, the term “social justice warrior” has been around since sometime in the 1800’s, and people were proudly describing themselves as “SJWs” on tumblr long before it became a pejorative term in the last few years. Do some research.

      It seems like you can’t tell the difference between censoring somebody and disagreeing with them. Are your posts being deleted? No? Then you’re not being censored. But don’t expect to get a warm reception from anybody.

    • Dgnfly

      SJW are a bunch off hypocrites they say that everything is problematic yet they are allowed to speak on these website, go to their bias supported website that support them you get censored from speaking or even banned.

    • Mr0303
    • darkgamer001

      Hey everyone, that tag pisses him off!
      So without further ado…
      SJW ALERT! SJW ALERT!

    • 821lancevance .

      SJWs are turning now

    • Figuratively Shaking

      You seem far enough down the rabbit hole that you’ll just ignore this advice, but when you’re so deep into the buzzword barrel that you unironically pull out “reactionary neo-GamerGater” you should really take some time and examine the way you approach things you disagree with.

    • Keichi Morisato

      there isn’t a mass movement? last year Anita went to the UN, she has pull with global leaders. they LISTEN to her, so don’t give me this shit that they won’t takes our games away, since they already have.

    • Valwin Mediaz

      im pretty sure there are SJW as someone that searches the deepest parts of tumblr i seen then in action

    • Neckto

      @PanurgeJr, I see and respect how you’ve addressed the issue, censorship vs gaming and just plain fun factor of it. At the sametime, it seems like you’re trying to take on the world because some just love to complain. You write very well and you seem to be incisive in your “drivel”. I’m following you, if you don’t mind.

    • TeLin特林

      “There’s no such thing as a SJW”

      Sure there aren’t.

      Not like there’s no such thing as “SocJus”…and those(warriors) who “fight” for it in belligerent ways.

      “There isn’t some mass movement that hates you or that wants to dictate how you consume your media.”

      Riighhht. There’s never been petitions to ban games or change aspects game. And the media doesn’t ever demean niche games…or use their review system to attack aspects of niche fanservice.

      “reactionary politics”

      Yes. It is reactionary…..reacting to SJWs.

      Look up Social Justice. Look up the many MANY instances of “SJWs”(you want to call them something else, go ahead) complain and B!tch to high heaven to have aspects of a game change….in effect changing how we consume our media.

      Self-censorship IS a thing. Banning HAS happened.

      Hell, just recently Blizzard succumb to an SJW(or whatever you want to call them) complaint about a benign aspect of a game.

      You want to claim SJW isnt real? Fine. But it’s asinine to claim there isn’t a widespread scene of complaint of Authoritarian “liberal”/”conservative”/”puritanical” hybrids that DO want to force their views on creators.

    • Nathan Wallace

      When we’ve gathered mass amounts of evidence over the years that show very clearly the effect SJW’s vocalizations have had it get’s pretty hard to ignore that this is the fact of the matter.

      Then we get you. A guy who makes a whole bunch of claims… And does nothing to back it up but say “You’re wrong”

      Nice evidence to support your claim.

      Please, drop the apologia, take of the tin foil hat, and enter the real world.

    • Jiyoon Kim

      I see you are one of those who have sociopathic issues.

  • CHRIS

    Sorry but western sensibilities? Have they not seen or played of games like The Witcher 3? Full body nudity and sex? Game of the Year awards everywhere. And they’re are worried about offending a minority because of panties? Grow the hell up Square-Enix.

    • Keichi Morisato

      or Far Cry 3-Primal?

    • Lunastaria SpiritDiva

      I’m already not buying Bravely Second, and they are doing their best to try and push me away from Star Ocean as well ! ~ Why do you hate me Square? I’m not even interested in FF15, now that it is a bro road trip game, I wanted Stella back !!

    • Keichi Morisato

      hell i am not interested in FFXV because it isn’t even an FF game, since it doesn’t have the most important thing for a sequel to have, the general gameplay style of the first game. the point of sequels is to improve the mechanics of the first game and bring in some new ideas into the mix. when it was a spin off title, i was excited, as is, i couldn’t care less.

  • Mr0303

    It has come to this then. Even the Japanese version of the game is being censored “to protect Western sensibilities”. This is indeed a small thing, but it is something we know of. What else could they change in the name of PC culture? At least before we had the option to import games in their pure form, now the West is damaging the Japanese release. This needs to stop. As others suggested we need to communicate to the devs that 1984 is not the epitome of “Western sensibilities”.

    • Lunastaria SpiritDiva

      At least I have fiore and her ridiculous outfit that may save Star Ocean yet!

  • Jeryn

    are the people buying the game gonna care about Mikki’s panties? just leave the panties alone! leave poor panties alone!!!!

    • Keichi Morisato

      hell, most people wouldn’t even notice them.

    • Lunastaria SpiritDiva

      As a near-sighted person wearing eyeglasses since I was 6, I know I wouldn’t even notice. Still, it angers me… artwork destroyed by ignorant fools.

  • Superr Mann

    Stop censoring things in games. That’s why we have the rating system.

  • 821lancevance .

    God I hate this pointless censoring to feminists that won’t even play the game to begin with.

  • mike_fantastic

    Can I ask the potentially dangerous question of why these young ladies are fighting bad guys in their underwear in the first place? I’m a guy, I like the things these underwears contain/conceal, but the whole thing in general is a little silly. I also like girls who want to game and maybe they ask the same question, too. Couldn’t tell you, but I’m embarrassed by some of what I’m reading here from a number of you. So, to get to the point, is this about censorship or is it about a certain demographic just wanting to stare at nearly nude ladies and doesn’t really care if not everyone wants to see that when they turn on their console of choice for a game? Let’s get it out in the open.

    • David S

      you…
      didn’t read the article or look at the screenshots, did you?

      “Can I ask the potentially dangerous question of why these young ladies
      are fighting bad guys in their underwear in the first place?” -mike_fantastic

      because it would be a bit drafty under her skirt if she fought without them?

    • mike_fantastic

      I did read it, didn’t take all that long. I just don’t get it and see this sort of thing cropping up all over the place as of late.

    • Lunastaria SpiritDiva

      Haha, all jrpgs girls need to go commando to please these people, problem solved !

    • Mr0303

      Because it is a fantasy setting and practicality doesn’t matter.

    • mike_fantastic

      Male fantasy, or at least some males. Honestly, if I’m flipping through the pages of a porno mag I’m down for this. If I’m playing a video game and might share it with my girl, not so much.

    • Mr0303

      It is fantasy period. Art is not limited to either gender.

      And if you girl is so insecure don’t share it with her.

    • Vanadise

      Read more carefully; your question is irrelevant. The character in question is not “nearly nude” or “fighting bad guys in their underwear”, she’s fully clothed. If you tilt the camera at just the right angle, you can see her panties under her skirt, because that’s the way skirts work and the developers didn’t decide to just render a black void underneath there.

    • mike_fantastic

      That’s hairsplitting, sir. Barely clothed? Partially nude? Either way you got the usual fantasy heroine for some reason in a state of undress taking on the forces of evil for your amusement. Question is not irrelevant; your counterargument is just trying to sidestep the issue.

    • Vanadise

      It’s not hairsplitting, it undermines your entire premise; you keep going on about things like “the usual fantasy heroine for some reason in a state of undress” when she /isn’t/. I can’t even tell what you’re objecting to here because it’s not applicable to this situation at all. Unless you can rephrase your argument in a relevant manner, I’m just going to assume you’re trolling.

    • How about a separate SJW Mode in the game, which completely frees the game of anything that offends SJWs and feminists.

      How would you feel about that Mike?

    • mike_fantastic

      Nope. Not good enough. You need to look at how you view women, sir, and stop using “SJWs and feminists” as an attack against folks who question your way of thinking and a target for whatever you’re really upset about (most likely issues of your privilege being questioned).

    • Mr0303

      Dude deleted his comments and ran away. Typical SJW. He started babbling about privilege and male fantasy. We were dealing with a true believer.

    • He seemed more like a troll to me in all honestly.

    • Mr0303

      Perhaps you are right. SWJs and trolls are so difficult to distinguish nowadays. Poe’s law in full force.

  • Cephrien

    Wait. am I missing something? I can’t see the difference.
    Do the panties just cover more of her butt now?

    • Keichi Morisato

      no clue, and i doubt that anyone would have noticed what was up there unless they were specifically looking.

    • Neckto

      Good point!

  • Panpopo

    Whelp, RIP Star Ocean 5. Japan is one of your main markets, for a niche game where most people have gone mobile. It’s really too bad.

  • Audie Bakerson

    One of the big concerns is even if Square-Enix DOES fix it (free original pantsu DLC costume would work), whoever was doing the translation for this game has a MASSIVE agenda, and that’s likely ruined a ton of dialog.

  • Montana Szobonya

    This is getting ridiculous, the west looks like a bunch of frightened prudes. The fact that we are letting the perpetually offended minority (the people that don’t even buy these games) ruin it for everyone is disgusting.

  • Neckto

    I’ve read all this crazy nonsense on prudes and how this game is less then it should be. Was the selling point of ‘Star Ocean 5’ to be entertaining or X-rated?
    PEOPLE ARE STUPID!

    • TeLin特林

      “crazy nonsense on prudes”

      So….prudes don’t exist? How is it “crazy nonsense” to claim there are prudes that certified/complain until a dev kowtows to their demands?

      People react to this because of self censorship.

    • Neckto

      Stop yelling at me. Or are you liberal complainer?

    • TeLin特林

      “yelling” at you?

      Are you serious???

    • Vanadise

      After seeing some more replies, I’m not sure that Neckto isn’t actually a fairly advanced chat bot. It keeps talking about things that nobody actually mentioned and keeps switching to different subjects.

  • Nicholas Perry

    “citing an ongoing trend where designers have to make revisions for characters who show lots of skin.”

    No, you don’t have to do a god damned thing. Those people ARE NOT YOUR AUDIENCE. And won’t play the game anyway. Make what you want, the WAY you want. IF they have a problem, boo HOO. They make something yourself.

    I’m so sick and tired of this. It’s so totally inconsequential and unimportant thing to change. Square Enix is making a poor habit of taking a huge step backwards into the 80s and 90s and deciding for us what is and isn’t OK based on fear of backlash from a crowd of people who aren’t even going to play it in the first place.

  • Speed12345

    Square-Enix fears the complains of people who aren’t going to play the game but not fear the backslash from the customers?

  • RpgNostalgia

    This thread has made me an Operation Rainfall fan. I really enjoy that the writer is able to express thoughts that aren’t very popular to some. I just had my morning ruined with the release of Siege of Dragon-spear. Hopefully, Persona-5 will remain intact. On the bright side I am saving a ton of money from not buying games.