Xenoblade X’s Breast Slider In The Character Creator Was Removed

Friday, November 13th, 2015

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Xenoblade Chronicles X

Thanks to the folks at GameXplain, its now confirmed that Lyn’s two outfits being edited are indeed real, but they also found out something else that was altered for Xenoblade Chronicles X‘s localization. The game’s character creator has also been censored a bit, with the removal of the breast slider that was in the original Japanese version as seen in the video below.

The original slider was very lackluster to say the least with differences only being marginal at best compared to other games that featured a create a character system. However, the fact they did remove it is still a shame and Nintendo is gonna have to face facts that removing options in an already limited creator is going to scare some consumers away. My guess is that they probably didn’t want people to make a Lyn-like body type and then use the outfits they altered for her. Speculation yes, but that’s all we can do unfortunately.

Xenoblade Chronicles X is a Nintendo Wii U exclusive and will be launched in North America and Europe on December 4th of this year.

About David Fernandes

(Community Manager) David is an assistant admin and community manager at oprainfall. He joined the Operation Rainfall Campaign at the beginning, and became one of the staff as the first wave of new volunteers were needed back in mid June. He is an avid video game collector, and lover of most game genres. David spends much of his time in a futile effort in clearing out his ever growing video game backlog.




  • Seis Siete

    Why is this such a big deal? Do we really need to have the ability to change a woman’s breast size?

    • Steve Baltimore

      I’d imagine some female players would like to do that.

    • Pedro Rosas

      You think wrong because most female players use male avatars

    • Steve Baltimore

      Some will I’m sure but some will not and those players should have this option.

    • japananimenews

      haha no

    • Iyamtebist

      Uhh yeah, you’re kinda fucking wrong there.

    • Infophile

      Yup. I’ve definitely heard from female players who specifically want to be able to create a character that looks like them (which is sadly impossible for many of them, given the limits of most character creators).

    • Qmish

      what are best (functional, flexible) character creation options in games currently? that Black Desert MMO?

    • Brian Stevenson

      Need? No, of course not. But we’re sick of people half a world away deciding what we can and cannot handle. Nintendo has been doing that for 30 years now.

    • Jahu

      >implying NoJ handles localization

    • SullenSamurai

      Doubtful these changes took place at Nintendo Headquarters. This was likely a choice made by Nintendo of Europe and/or Nintendo of America. They’re the ones who are censor-happy.

    • blackice85

      If it’s not such a big deal then why are they removing it?

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I think they’re removing it precisely because it isn’t a big deal. Someone at Nintendo didn’t like it, and they figured it didn’t matter enough to keep it if they didn’t like it. If it had made a difference in the game, I doubt it would have been removed.

    • Steve Baltimore

      It took them more effort to remove it than to keep it.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Yeah, but probably not much. I guess whoever didn’t like it thought it was worth the effort.

    • Seis Siete

      What if the removal of the slider was the difference between this game being rated M and T? I doubt that’s the reason but surely Nintendo has a reason why this was removed. Either way this is such a small change that honestly nobody should care.

    • blackice85

      Do they have a bust size limit (or minimum) tied into their ratings? I mean I guess it’s possible, but I can’t really see it, not unless it’s also applied to other character models and not just the user made avatar.

      More than likely it’s tied into Lin’s censorship, and rather than tweak the outfits for the avatar too, they just removed the slider and left the bust at medium.

      And yeah, it’s a small change I know, and not every game has avatar customization like that in the first place. It’s just that, we should be past this stuff by now. Like who do they think it was going to offend? Did they think the press was going to have a field day with it? It’s not like you could make the bust absurdly big or anything, the size range was all completely normal for real women, it wasn’t anything extreme.

      It’s just more bizarre than anything. I’m not that shocked that Nintendo did it no, but if any other publisher did that in this day and age everyone would be wondering what the hell is going on.

    • y362

      Do you need to remove it? Removing optional content is arguably the worst thing you could remove. You don’t have to like it, but you also don’t have to use it. Now people who wanted to mess with it can’t short of importing(console AND game because region lock). I’ve already heard people say this release would be censored, like supposed biblical references, or costume changes but this just reaffirms it was censored or “internally-edited” for cultural reasons.

      To some consumers, the notion of removing content perceived culturally to be “problematic” because of concerns of controversy rather than things that cannot be helped (such as licensing issues for dual audio which some have a problem with anyway) is a reason to not buy the product. To you, it might be irrelevant, but to others it may be a bigger issue. Consumers are allowed choice after all, and some are tired of these practices.

      For the record, I personally don’t care since I’ve already played X in Japanese so it’s a non-issue for me. I will say it is because of “Americanizations” like Persona Revelations and other heavily altered content that drove me to importing and learning Japanese. Is this a case of heavily altering? Not really, but some consumers are purists.

    • Wolfe

      I can see it now. It’s 1992. Mortal Kombat is just released for the Genesis and SNES. You’re at your buddy’s house and suggest playing Mortal Kombat. You start it up, someone throws and uppercut. Sweat spatters across the arena and he raises an eyebrow, but remains quiet. The end of the match arrives and he performs a Fatality, only to find that a once ultra violent end has been replaced by a harmless kick.

      “Wait, why didn’t my Fatality work?”

      “Oh, they don’t have that on this version.”

      “Why not?”

      “Because it’s pretty gross. The game’s the same though.”

      Your friend puts the controller down and goes back home to play Mortal Kombat on his Genesis. You swear to never forget this insult.

    • Seis Siete

      This is very different though. In Mortal Kombat one of the biggest features was the fatalities. But in this game the breasts of the characters is not the primary focus.

    • Wolfe

      Hi True Wii Master! Nice to see you stalking my posts!

    • Qmish

      had they return blood in mk2-3 on snes?

    • Montana Szobonya

      It’s a big deal because Nintendo feels that they have the right to play morality police. Once again we have a rating system that accurately represents the content of the game and it is not up to Nintendo to change the work of their developers. Nintendo is going to loose what little third party support they have because of their ridiculously short sighted “localization” policies. Maybe a woman with small breasts wants to create a small breasted avatar or the other way around. If it was in the game at one point there is ZERO reason to edit it out. Censorship is ruining this industry and Nintendo and the politically correct, overly sensitive sheeple that plague the western world are the problem

    • TalesOfBS

      Yes, we do need it Idiot. Some people here would like the ability to customize their characters a bit more just like the Japanese player were able to on a game that is still full priced for butchered content and filled with 8:4 Memes.
      Sigh.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Wait, I think I remember you now. Are you the guy who was mad that you’re paying full price for a game with a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the material changed/removed? I remember, because I’d never heard anyone make that argument before (for good reason).

      I like how you say “we do need it” and then “some people here would like the ability”. Want and need are not the same thing. You want this feature, but you certainly don’t need it to play the game. In fact, it makes no real difference within the game if it’s there or not.

    • Blazingsonic

      Yes, I want the FULL game as the Japanese players get, I hate getting less because of the way and where I was born.
      And new flash, There people like to make their characters the way they want. Yes character customization is part of the game play.

  • Raymond

    Haha watch how people blow this WAY out of proportion. They will say “This is so game breaking that NOA should just kill them selfs.” “Nintendo always kills everything I love and now that I can’t make my characters breath bigger, this game is broken beyond fixing”

    Can’t even make a game fun without everyone killing the fun.

    • Iyamtebist

      Removing content from the game is “making it fun?”

  • Pedro Rosas

    Not a big deal for me, would have been nice but not a deal breaker

  • Alex

    Saint’s Row had a breast slider! Though this one should have had a dong slider.

  • PanurgeJr

    It’s not censorship when it’s the people paying the bills making the decision; it’s them controlling the product they’re paying for and entitled to control.

    • Hogtree Octovish

      Controlling the product by removing parts from the original version of the product just because of naughty bits is censorship, nimrod.

      Lyn, I get. I mean she is only 13 (don’t agree with censoring her, but I understand why).
      But removing the bust size modifier for the grown-up player character is just illogical.

      Oh noes. Someone created a midget with tiny breasts as their avatar.
      They must obviously be a pedophile. /sarcasm

    • PanurgeJr

      I appreciate the insult. And that’s not sarcasm; I truly mean it. It lets me know precisely how seriously to take you.

    • Hogtree Octovish

      So I like Bugs Bunny. Is that a crime?
      And, yeah, since Nimrod used to mean “mighty hunter”, I’d say it’s perfect insult to use while talking about an open-world RPG.

      Never actually rebutted my point, though.

    • PanurgeJr

      I was not attempting to rebut what you mistakenly believe was a point. Since you failed to pick up on that, I will come out and say it.

      You are not worth my time.

    • Wolfe

      That’s impossible, because your time is worthless.

    • Qmish

      Keera Knightly is little girl 😀

    • Qmish

      yeah, that Lyn case is WTF. That “costume” (default suit or what’s that?) isn’t even something “sexy”. people overthinking as usual.

  • Melody

    That’s actually a stupid change anyway. Do they not go outside? Do they not live in reality? If they changed it because they were afraid of somebody making their character short and small-breasted because they think that is what a child is, then they must not socialize at all. Plenty of adults have smaller breasts. Plenty of younger teens have larger breasts. Breast size doesn’t correlate to age just as height doesn’t. There are plenty of adults that are short. Plenty of taller teens and children that are tall.

    This doesn’t even stop somebody from creating a loli character anyway. The default breast size is not very big or small, and fairly common in women of all ages. I’d imagine this pisses off people who want bigger breasts far more than any lolicon.

    Such needless censorship, and this time it doesn’t even really make sense.

  • Y’all have really been upset about NoA taking facepalm-worthy sexist shit out of games lately. I seriously doubt that Nintendo is going to lose customers over the lack of tits sliders, but I do know that you might lose at least one reader from focusing so heavily on this stuff.

    • Triv

      Amen to this. You can’t really claim noble purposes over and over like this when it comes to preserving this kind of thing.

    • Wolfe

      “This kind of thing.”
      Says everything about you, right there.

      In 1984 you’d have been burning your kid’s D&D books.

      In 1692 you’d have been sitting on a bench passing a verdict of ‘burn the witch’.

      I imagine if you were born in someplace like Iran you’d be on the Revolutionary Guard, stoning women who tried to drive themselves to a doctor.

      Instead you’re a middle class citizen of America so you sit around on websites and declare moral superiority over people who like imaginary breasts.

      Ya’ll puritans never change, no matter the era.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      That’s a huge leap. All he said was that it wasn’t a noble cause.

    • Wolfe

      Nintendo PR on scene as per usual. ‘sup shill.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I didn’t even mention Nintendo…

      You know what’s kind of interesting? Every time one of these articles about Nintendo pops up, you come to comment, even though you openly and proudly say that you don’t have the system and don’t want it. I’m here because I have a Wii U and I like Nintendo. Why are you here, commenting about a game you have no intention of buying, on a system you don’t want, by a company you seem to hate?

    • Cameron Ward

      are you surprised. Idiots like him love taking the piss out of everything even when they don’t even give a shit lol

    • Wolfe

      ‘sup Shill #2. Got called in for backup I see.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Who would need backup against you?

    • Wolfe

      You, evidently.
      Oh, and can you stop following me around to other sites? It’s getting creepy. I get that you’re just doing a job and all, but yeesh.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      The only other Disqus site I go to is WiiUDaily, and I don’t post there very often, meaning one of three things: 1) I have a doppelganger, 2) you’re imagining things, or 3) you’re making stuff up in a feeble attempt to make me look bad. I’m leaning towards 3), but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    • Cameron Ward

      You know name calling won’t make your arguments look anymore valid. By the way, your arguments don’t hold weight since you keep harassing everyone

    • Wolfe

      Sure thing, motherfucker.

    • F

      um, dude, you just took a comment simply saying “fanservice isn’t a noble cause” and compared him to religious zealots stoning those who don’t agree with them?

      calm down, man. you’re sounding like an insane person. you fit more of that “fervent reactionary zealot” criteria than this guy does. you’re not really doing yourself or this site any favors…

    • Triforce of the Gods

      Yup, it’s totally sexist for women to want to be able to customize their character to the same size chest they have. Character customization is only allowed as long as it is not for the evil boobies!

    • Fargon

      that would hold more water if sexual content removal wasn’t 90% of what they ever complain about. it does not come off as “fighting for the customization freedom of women”, it comes off as “sex-obsessed otakus”.

    • Triforce of the Gods

      It’s 90% of what people complain about because it’s 90% of what gets removed. Violence hasn’t been heavily modified in the US since the 90s.

    • blackice85

      Yeah it’s been a while since they’ve turned red blood to green or some other color lol, as if that suddenly makes it OK.

    • blackice85

      That’s usually what they’re removing though. People speak up about bad translations too when it’s applicable, and if they toned down the violence you’d hear about that too.

    • Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, trust me you won’t be missed 😉

    • blazeblast4

      What’s sexist about this? The fact that women have different sized boobs? The fact that different people like different sized boobs? The fact that a woman can wear a sexy outfit? Or in the last little NoA debacle, that women can wear bikinis? Sexual =/= sexist. To a point, I understand the Lyn outfits, more for legal reasons don’t want the game slapped with an M rating) even though there are kids 15 and younger dressing much more sexual when they get the chance. Also, there are teenagers who like sexy teenagers, but apparently importing (there’s almost never any controversy when the game is made in the West) a sexy teenager is some kind of taboo because an adult playing the game might… do something… and obviously no teenagers will play the game? Who does this benefit? It’s cutting content for what? To be less sexist? Towards who? Are women so sensitive that they can’t handle the fact that different women have different sized boobs or occasionally wear sexual outfits? Are men so pigheaded or such sexual monsters that we’ll suddenly start treating women as sexual property because a game has an option to change the boob size of a customizable character or put a girl in a bikini? Will putting a 15 year old in a sexy outfit cause a child molestation
      problem? So let me ask again, who does this censorship benefit? Who does this censorship harm?

    • Proteus

      Anti-loli SJW nutjobs are thought crime enthusiasts that’s why.

    • Qmish

      >no teenagers will play the game

      Why? btw, in Japan it’s rated 15+. (though in Japan teens are used to see people of their age in swimsuites or smth due to those pop music idols and their clips/photosessions).

    • Qmish

      also.. while GTA series was 18+ game, it’s nearly always was the game the most enjoyed by 9th grade boys, hehe. 3/Vice City/San Andreas at least, cause GTA5 has really shocking content in comparison.

    • Wolfe

      Plenty of other commercial sites that will never question any decision from a publisher and tell you only the things you want to hear. I recommend IGN or Gamestop. You won’t be disappointed.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Did you mean “Gamespot”?

      Unless things have changed since I left, Gamespot and IGN bash Nintendo regularly. They might be in favor of this kind of move (there are a lot of SJW’s there; it’s partially why I stopped going to those sites), but they have no problem attacking publishers, especially Nintendo.

    • Wolfe

      Sure thing Mr. Nintendo.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Again, I didn’t say anything pro-Nintendo in this comment…

    • Wolfe

      Dude, I ain’t kidding. Stop fucking following me around or I’m reporting you to disqus for stalking.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      What are you talking about? You’re the one who claimed to be following my posts across sites. I’ve just been on Rainfall, where you’ve responded to me as much as I’ve responded to you.

    • Wolfe

      Last warning mate. I see anymore comments from you outside of this exchange on this or any other site and I’m going to flag and report you. I’m sick of your shit.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      First, I haven’t been following or responding to you on other sites. Second, I haven’t been following you on this site. And third, flagging me will do nothing, since I’ve done nothing. Disqus will review my posts and find just that, nothing, and drop anything you flag me for. So yeah, your attempt at…whatever it was you were attempting…won’t do anything.

    • Wolfe

      Alright then. Flagged and reported.
      Enjoy.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Okay? Like I said, nothing will happen, so there’s nothing to “enjoy”.

    • Wolfe

      😉

    • TrueWiiMaster

      ??

    • TalesOfBS

      I had this guy replying to my comments for days, he is some sort of Nintendo police or just a plain weirdo.

    • Wolfe

      If you go back through his history you can see that he spends several months targeting one or two forums, constantly engaging in the same debates. Most likely he’s a paid shill. He was all over Mike Huckabee on ABC forums for a while.

      He followed me over to Dualshockers a while back and started the Nintendo-can-do-no-wrong rhetoric both with me and several other members there.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      And you call me a stalker… You looked through my comment history going back months… Now that’s creepy. I might actually make my comment history private, like you.

      I don’t go to DualShockers. Just to make sure I didn’t go there and forget, I checked my comment history. No Dualshockers.

    • Wolfe

      If you’re going to be a professional shill/stalker, you should probably know the basics. Now get the fuck out of my mentions, you sob.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      You’re seriously going to call me a stalker after telling someone you looked through months of my comment history? Or are you saying that, if I want to be a professional stalker, I should learn the basics from you?

      You were mentioning me, so I think my response is pretty justified. Besides, you’ve been interrupting my “mentions” for a while now.

    • Wolfe

      To respond to yours. Since you absolutely -have- to get in the last word in every single conversation. Well you can have it buddy.

      And you can shift the blame all you bloody want to, but it’s no coincidence that several sites I’ve routinely visited, you’ve turned up at. Only to talk smack on behalf of Nintendo. Same way you did with others on ABC.

      We’re done here dude. Go earn your pay on someone else’s time.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      No, actually. You responded to me while I was responding to someone else more than once, which is no different than what I did here. You also talked about me to other users I was (or wasn’t) talking to, which I’d think is much worse than me just responding to you.

      You looked through my comment history, so you know I haven’t been on the sites you say I’ve been on. Either you’re outright lying here, or someone’s running around with my username (quite possible; I have been using it for years). Furthermore, I couldn’t have followed you anywhere even if I wanted to (and I don’t), because your account is locked and I can’t see where you’ve been.

      And I still don’t get paid for commenting. If I did, I’d comment more like you. You’ve commented at 3x the rate I have.

    • TalesOfBS

      He locked it. I just reported his last replies (basically he replied to every comment i made here) and i am ignoring him for now.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I did. I’ve left it open for years, but it was creepy having him go through months of my activity.

      And actually, I only responded to 2 of your comments that weren’t about me. You’ve posted many more than that, most of which, ironically, were just harassing other users.

    • Wolfe

      He’s definitely either a PR person or a troll with far too much free time. Either way, Disqus needs a ‘block’ function so creeps like this can’t stalk you around to other sites.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I’m here to discuss Nintendo and a game they’re putting out, because I’m a fan of the company and the game. You’re here to insult people and bash Nintendo. Which of us is the troll?

      It’s impossible for me to follow you, or to have followed you, anywhere, since I can’t see where you go or where you’ve been.

    • Wolfe

      Fuck off stalkerboy.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Says the guy who looked through months of my comment history, and seemingly can’t help but comment about me…

    • Wolfe

      Yeah, I don’t wanna hear shit from the guy who followed me to several other sites to ‘debate’ me and is still stalking me up and down this thread to respond to comments not even directed at him.

      Hey mods, can you do something about this chump please?

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I already told you, not only did I not follow you anywhere, but I couldn’t have, because I can’t see where you go. And while some of the comments I responded to haven’t been directed at me, most of them have been about me. For some reason, it seems you can’t help but talk to me or about me.

      You and TalesofBS both claimed to have reported me multiple times already. The mods see those reports, but I haven’t done anything wrong, so they haven’t done anything against me. If anyone needs to be moderated here, it’s the people doing almost nothing but posting insults and attacking other users.

    • Wolfe

      I only recently set this thing to private. A couple of months ago it wouldn’t have been any problem for you to follow me. Which you did. Consider this our last exchange. I have -nothing- left to say to you, creep.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      So you say. Regardless, I never followed you. Like I said, I don’t go to the websites you claim I’ve been following you to. You looked through my comment history. There were no comments from those sites.

      That’s fine. You haven’t said anything of substance anyway; mostly just insults and lies.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      The funny thing is, if I was replying to you for days, you were replying to me for days too.

    • TalesOfBS

      Go away you sick.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Says the guy who came to this article just to insult people…

    • edge

      You’re really stretching the term sexist. If the only reason you say it’s sexist is because of lack of a dick slider you have very little in terms of calling it sexist.

    • TalesOfBS

      They have already lost. Bunch of people probably cancelled their preorders by now and are going to get this used or on a sale, or worse, these bad news about Nintendo not being able to keep up with their “mature” games killing any chances of people finally getting a Wii U to play them.
      Who sane gamer wants butchered crap? none.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      “Bunch of people probably cancelled their preorders”
      What, exactly, is that based on?

      As for waiting for a sale or a used copy, that may not be a good idea. This game is getting a much wider release than the first one, but that doesn’t mean it won’t end up rare and expensive. There might not even be a second shipment.

    • Iyamtebist

      >sexist shit

      Oh look, someone is mansplaining how it is sexist to portray any kind of sexuality in games. Yeah or you could just be a pretentious puritan who uses “supporting women’s rights” to justify your own sexism in regards to how women should NEVER show any form of sexuality EVER. Oh and of course it is meant only for men, because as we all know, it is impossible for women to find other women attractive.

  • Proteus

    Pirate the shit outta this just to spite NOA and Anti-loli SJW nutjobs.

    • Raymond

      Oh yea…like that will solve all of our problems……

  • Louis Polite

    waIt, SO ONLY Lyn has the more modest selection of clothes and the rest of the ladies can wear whatever? Wow I don’t even care as much anymore, I’m bugged even less now. lol

    • Steve Baltimore

      There is a whole slew of other outfits they have yet to unlock but those may not be affected. However the removal of the bust slider is taking things way to far. Are they saying that girls should only have medium sized breasts and there is something wrong with big or small breasts? This is completely silly.

  • Wolfe

    Another reminder of why I don’t do business with this company.

    • Cameron Ward

      Another reminder that people like you keep gaming in the dark age.

    • Wolfe

      Better carry a flashlight then, motherfucker.

    • Cameron Ward

      ah cursing, another reason why no one takes you seriously

    • Wolfe

      You took it personally enough to respond to it, didn’t ya motherfucker?

    • Dogi

      Well we’re in a new dark age with all this censorship. From NISA to NoA. Games are only safe if they get localized by Xseed anymore.

    • Triforce of the Gods

      Yes, we’re the ones keeping gaming in the dark ages. Games will never be taken seriously as long as they cover topics that movies and books cover on a daily basis. /s

    • TalesOfBS

      Says the dude defending dark ages BS like censorship.
      Sheeps.

    • Qmish

      how’s liking nintendo’s policies is helping game industry? why people MUST do it?

  • Firion Hope

    And even now that it’s not just a loli that makes prudes skin crawl people will still bend over backwards to make excuses for them arbitrarily removing game features.

    Hey guys remember “we promise not to censor this game”? I remember.

  • Tara

    Personally not bothered by this, really. Yeah, they took away a customization option, and that’s lame… but here’s the honest truth of it: If it’s a good game, I couldn’t care less if my avatar has the same size boobs as I do. Is it disappointing? Sure. But I’m not screaming “boycott” or anything over it. I’m pretty jaded, though, and if I wanted a fanservice-filled game with plenty of oversized boobs and revealing clothing, I know (and have) plenty of games that cater to that. (And just to be completely clear… I would prefer to have all of the options, I don’t much care for the censorship, but it’s hardly a deal-breaker on what is guaranteed to be an excellent game.)

    • Dominick Wheeler

      I am creating a male character anyway, so this doesn’t affect me one bit. I’m still pissed about it, though. Who does this censorship benefit? What harm was the bust slider going to do and to whom? Like, really Nintendo? I get the Lyn thing, but to take a customization option out to avoid the SJW outburst? Weeeeak. Everyone likes options, and this one is kinda lame. Next they’ll remove the “muscle tone” slider ( I don’t think this game even has one) so wimpy men won’t get offended.

  • TrueWiiMaster

    “The game’s character creator has also been censored”
    You guys are just going to use that word for anything that gets changed or removed, huh? While I think this is an awkward choice, I’d hardly call it censorship. That’s like saying a website has been censored because they removed the daily survey or something equally trivial.

    “removing options in an already limited creator is going to scare some consumers away”

    That would suggest there were people buying this game primarily for the character editor, which seems very unlikely. People want this game for the world, story, combat, etc. I’m pretty sure the character editor is low on the list of reasons to buy this game.

    • Tara

      I honestly didn’t know there was a character editor until this stuff came up. It was never a factor for me.

      … not to mention, I love Monolith’s games, but let’s be honest here, the character models and such are definitely NOT the draw here, because they’re not the best I’ve ever seen anyway. (There are better places to go if you want a game with a deep character customizer.)

    • Figuratively Shaking

      I’d love to know what definition of “censorship” you’re using that requires a minimum level of importance of the removed content before it can be applied.

      It’s a good thing that doesn’t exist in the common definition. It seems like a bad idea to have such a clear loophole.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      That goes back to my example. Is it censorship for people who run a site to remove something from their site? After all, the definition of censorship is “suppression of information”. Technically, any removal from a game could be called censorship, but so could any removal of information in general. Deleting a comment is technically censorship, even if its your own comment.

      My point was that, compared to major censorship, like banning books or speech, removing a “breast slider” is like nothing, especially when Nintendo could have just not brought the game West (which wouldn’t have been censorship, btw). To call it censorship the way Operation Rainfall has is to put it on the same level as real suppression of information, which is blowing it way out of proportion, imo.

    • Figuratively Shaking

      And my point is that letting things slide because they’re unimportant, and I’ll leave it up to you to decide how you’ll judge that one, is exactly how you justify your major censorship. After all it’s fine as long as they only cut out the “unimportant” bits of the same books you’d fully be against burning.

      You want to use your survey example? Who decides that it’s censorship if the survey was “Rate your satisfaction with your current government” but not when it’s “What’s your favorite color”? What if only one person has a problem with the current government but people view opinions on color as deathly important? You’re leaving an arbitrary loophole just so you can say “Well, I’m fully against censorship, but that thing is just unimportant”

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I don’t agree. Making slight alterations to unnecessary things, which make no real impact on the whole, does not lead to, or support, making drastic changes or outright banning. Also, that book comparison doesn’t really work. Unlike a game, which has many parts, a book is just text (unless you count the cover, which books frequently change). Changing any part of the text would be changing the book. With games, many things can be changed without changing the story, gameplay, world, etc. and it’s generally not considered censorship.

      Before that, you have to establish if removing a survey from your own site is censorship, which is what I was asking.

      And no, I’m not just making an “arbitrary loophole”. Like I said, many things could be called censorship, from deleting your own comment to altering your own website. It’s not a loophole to say I’m against censorship, but that I don’t care if something minor is removed by its creator.

    • Figuratively Shaking

      Changing the word you use did not change the point. Who decided what’s unnecessary? As you say games are made up of many parts and different people will argue the necessity of all of them.

      “With games, many things can be changed without changing the story, gameplay, world, etc. and it’s generally not considered censorship.”
      Clever switch there but you’re no longer comparing the same thing. It does not necessarily change the other parts of the game, but it does always necessarily change the game, just like the book.

      It being generally considered anything is an ultimately meaningless point.

      Your removal point is again a false comparison. This is not something that was removed from the game. It’s something that was removed from some versions of the game. Would you consider removing the aforementioned government survey for one region censorship?

      If you’re not making an loophole for yourself then why not just say you don’t care about this censorship rather than trying to make it not censorship?

    • TrueWiiMaster

      It’s usually pretty apparent. If something’s unnecessary, its removal/absence would have little to no effect on the game. Unless character customization has a major impact on the game, removing a single character customization option generally falls into that category.

      Of course. But the meat of the game remains the same. With a book, the text is the meat.

      Yes and no. As I keep saying, by definition, most people have censored something, but wouldn’t consider it censorship.

      If removing your own survey is censorship, yes, and if it isn’t, no. Having it up one place and down another doesn’t change what you’re doing. Of course, that’s not really comparable to Xenoblade Chronicles X, since you’re still free to get whatever version you want. That’s why, under a different article, I was arguing that this was more localization than censorship. They’re making a version of the game for the West, but the original Japanese version is still available. It’s hard to call something you can freely buy and use censored.

      As I already said, it is technically censorship, but it falls in with other forms of censorship that aren’t really considered censorship, like deleting your own comment.

    • Figuratively Shaking

      If you’re trying to play with the definition of “game” again and by “game” you mean “Everything except the part that is affected is unaffected” then sure. That’s not a particularly meaningful statement though. Nothing can be removed from the game as a whole without necessarily changing the game.

      You keep acting as if games are a magical medium that aren’t designed. Everything, barring bugs, were put in intentionally by a person. What makes you qualified to judge it’s necessity? You can recognize the meaningfulness of every word in a book, but you somehow think that things end up in a game just by happenstance?

      You’re just as free to jump through the hoops to use a proxy and see the survey. There being some ability to view uncensored material doesn’t mean your censored material doesn’t exist. An unrated cut does not make the existing PG-13 cut not a censored version of the original vision. A remaining copy of a banned book does not make the others unburned.

      Localization is not something that is agreed upon enough that it’s mutually exclusive with censorship in the first place. People have many different views on what the goal of localization is and should be. If you view localization as creating a new product based on the original for a specific region then obviously nothing that could be changed would be considered censorship.

      As I’ve already said I do not care what is generally considered censorship. It’s a poor response to my point anyway. That makes it less reasonable for you to be trying to argue that it’s not censorship rather than just saying it’s censorship you don’t care about. You’d apparently have a lot of company in that view.

      All of this is getting very off track from the original point. There is no required level of importance for censorship. Banning the press from writing about daisies would likely have very little effect on the vast majority of people. It doesn’t make it not censorship.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      In this case, we’re talking about something that had no relation to any part of the game outside of the customization system, which itself has very little relation to the game. Its removal caused no other changes whatsoever. If it had never been in the game, it would have made virtually no difference.

      I’m not really sure where you’re going with this second paragraph. Obviously games are designed. And if anyone’s in a position to say what’s necessary in the game, it would be the company that made it.

      Of course, but there’s a difference between something being censored so that you cannot see it at all, like in the case of a book ban, and something being made in two available versions, one original and one censored.

      Fair enough. I consider localization the process of making a game suitable for its new audience while keeping with the original theme and style of the game. That includes translation, replacement of text that doesn’t translate (like jokes), and in some cases, altering, replacing, or removing elements that don’t work in the new region.

      I already said that this is technically censorship, but so are many other small things. That was my point in discussing what’s considered censorship. Technically, even keeping something to yourself rather than blurting it out is self-censorship, but very few people would consider it actual censorship. Actually, since Nintendo made and owns Xenoblade, what they’re doing would also be self-censorship.

    • Figuratively Shaking

      “Its removal caused no other changes whatsoever. If it had never been in the game, it would have made virtually no difference.”
      Virtually no difference is not no difference.

      “if anyone’s in a position to say what’s necessary in the game, it would be the company that made it.”
      They’ve already shown that they consider it necessary by spending any amount of their valuable dev time by putting it in in the first place. NoA’s decision to remove it does not supersede that.

      “I already said that this is technically censorship”
      Then you’ve had no reason to disagree with my original statement at all. You consider it censorship, but still find fault in an article calling it that just because it wouldn’t generally be considered it?

      “Technically, even keeping something to yourself rather than blurting it out is self-censorship”
      It is if it’s for a reason other than “Well, I just don’t want to say that.” You keep bringing these things up as if I was ever the one to object to something being called censorship. I do not hold the view that people questioning more “minor” censorship would somehow lead to a world where people would ignore “major” censorship. I don’t see a meaningful reason to differentiate the two.

      Censorship requires a motivation. Changing or omitting something to avoid outrage is censorship regardless of whether it was done by Nintendo, an outside localization company, or a government to the smallest bit of the game or the largest.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      As I keep saying, this is censorship, but only to a very small degree. I was not trying to change the definition of censorship, which I already said was any suppression of information. I was only saying that censorship that is incredibly minor is not a big deal, and is something that everyone does.

      That was for Japan. This is for the West. They chose to spend their valuable localization time removing it, because they deemed it unnecessary. And despite everyone blaming NoA for it, it was probably NoE, since NoA is using their localization. I could be wrong about that, though.

      I find fault with a series of articles that make minor changes and removals out as if they were the next big book ban. Rainfall has been far too focused on bashing Nintendo for small changes recently, especially when Operation Rainfall was originally about getting great Japanese games to America any way possible. These days they’d lead their users to pull support for those same games for trivialities.

      I’ve been bringing these things up to show that censorship is not always big, and is in fact oftentimes small and normal, which is how I see the censorship of Xenoblade. There is clearly a differentiation between government censoring a book with a book ban, and a publisher removing one small customization option from a character creator in a game they’re localizing (possibly with the permission of the creators, too).

      I agree, but that motivation can extend beyond just avoiding outrage. It could simply be “I don’t want anyone to see/hear this, so I’m going to remove it/block it”.

    • Wolfe

      Don’t waste your time. This guy’s a PR shill for Nintendo. Comments against any criticism of Nintendo across several sites. He’s paid to sit here and engage you in wordplay.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Are you seriously trolling me now? I would ask if you’re stalking me, but your information’s wrong. I haven’t argued with anyone about games in months, except for right here on Operation Rainfall. And I still don’t work for Nintendo. If you must comment to/about me, though, try answering my previous question. Why are you here, commenting about a game you have no intention of buying, on a system you don’t want, by a company you seem to hate?

    • Figuratively Shaking

      I’m arguing against his ideas. I have no interest in his motivations.

      If you actually believe he’s running PR here you’d be much better off counteracting it by doing the same rather than allowing him to do so unhindered and wasting your time taking shots at him.

    • Dominick Wheeler

      Just because something is “not generally considered” censorship doesn’t mean it isn’t censorship. Saying you woke up at 10 when you woke up at 10:01 is lying, even if “it’s not generally considered” a lie and has little impact on anyone. It’s minor, yes, but if someone values visuals of this game, this is censoring the visuals and impacts their overall experience. Either way, I hate getting less of a product than the original, even if I don’t plan to make a female avatar. I know plenty of people that would make a female with larger/smaller breasts and their experiences are going to be less than those in Japan who had that opportunity. Also, “widely available for use” is almost comical. Importing a game that doesn’t work on your version of the console and isn’t in your language is widely available for use? Cmon now. If a book was censored, you can’t defend its censorship with “you can always buy the Russian version!”

    • Dominick Wheeler

      Also, that was for Truewiimaster, not you. My bad.

    • TalesOfBS

      Nintendo police at its full force.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      A lot (but not all) of those statements are pretty true, and fairly reasonable. Much less reasonable is skipping a game you want because something that made no impact on the game was removed.

  • Nathan

    Nintendo (and the dev) actually lose money over this. Think about it, it’s another disc version, with wasted time to make it.

  • Nathan

    The next step would be to remove the female option and avoid the problem completely.
    /sarcasm

    • Wolfe

      BRILLIANT!

  • Ibi Salmon

    All these people complaining on the boob slider being removed and all I’m thinking is, “There’s a character creator?”

    • TalesOfBS

      Good to know that your ignorance is a good excuse for removing content from games.

    • Ibi Salmon

      I’m not saying that it should have been removed. It’s yet another example of Nintendo pleasing no one by trying to please everyone. I was just surprised that there was a character creator.

    • Ibi Salmon

      I never said I liked this removal. This is yet another case of Nintendo pleasing no one by trying to please everyone. I was just surprised to learn that there was a character creator in the game.

    • TalesOfBS

      Sorry then, i am a bit burned with this. I have seen people blindly advocating for this without caring about the future consequences and labeling anyone who is against all sorts of things.

  • Dynel

    I want to be upset because it sets a bad precedent or whatever… But I’m not, I actually like the changes to the outfits. The lack of bust sliders is upsetting, but I don’t think I’d ever create a female character anyway…

  • Lynn Kitty

    You guys need to grow up. Jesus christ, do you not remember that Japan can just not bring the games over to us? That they can just keep it in their country? Do you wanna play this game? If yes, then stop bitching about making girl’s boobs bigger or smaller. I can’t enlarge the male’s bulge in his pants, do you see me crying? They took it out, they have their reasons, be happy you have the chance to play it instead of havin to watch Japanese-only streams of it.

    • darkgamer001

      No I’m sorry that’s just not the right mentality to have.
      What you’re basically advocating here is that we should just keep quiet if the censorship is minor, because if we don’t, Nintendo can just not bring over games from Japan?
      Yeah sure, and then guess what would happen…hardware and software sales would dip further. We are consumers. We have a voice. And we’ll damn well use it if we’re not happy with NoE and NoA cherry picking content from Japanese games

    • Lynn Kitty

      Yes, because crying over the internet about pixel boobies is definitely going to make Nintendo go ‘Oh yeah, they’re ready’. Want them to treat us like adults? Stop crying over every single thing. And also, this is on ‘Operation Rainfall’. Do you even remember what that meant when it started? To bring over 3 games to the US. One of them was Xenoblade. It’s sadly ironic that when the sequel comes out and they gripe over a small thing rather than being happy they don’t have to do another movement again

    • Steve Baltimore

      If you want female models in gaming to be treated equally then you have to stop things like this. Removing that slider doesn’t effect me personally, but how can you say your for equality when you treat them that much differently.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      That only applies if the male models have a gender specific slider that is staying in the game (do they?).

    • Steve Baltimore

      No but you cannot remove one just for females and call the right either. Women come in all different shapes and sizes just like men do and they should be afforded a means to customize that, since that avatar is supposed to represent them in the game.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Actually, that’s exactly what you do. That’s equality. You treat both genders the same. Keeping the slider in when there’s no male equivalent would go against your previous call for equal treatment.

      Based on what this author said, this game’s customization system didn’t do a good job of that in the first place. This doesn’t really seem like a game where character creation matters much.

    • Steve Baltimore

      I don’t it is because not every woman that plays this game will be medium sized and I feel Nintendo is basically saying if your too big or too small there is something wrong with you. Otherwise this wouldn’t have been an issue.

    • Lynn Kitty

      What about guys? Why wouldn’t a guy want to play as someone who’s junk matches his own?

    • Steve Baltimore

      I already answered this I’d be fine with that, but that wasn’t there to being with.

    • Lynn Kitty

      Because this is equality. Japan didn’t have it, and honestly, it was wrong of them to. For once, America actual made it equal for us. If they can’t add a slider, they just take the other away. That probrably wasn’t their intention, but honestly? It was the right choice in the end

    • Steve Baltimore

      I don’t think removing a customization option = equality when gals come in a lot of different shapes and sizes.

    • Lynn Kitty

      You just said guys do too. Yet they didn’t.

    • blackice85

      Removing choices is the right answer? LOL

    • Qmish

      i just ‘ve misreaded as “removing clothes”. oh my ><

    • TalesOfBS

      No, it wasn’t, stop blindly defending NoA’s and 8:4 stupidity.

      Meanwhile, Sega is even adding waist, butt, neck and head controls to PSO2, for BOTH genders. There you have proper equality, with more features for both sides instead of dumb and plain censorship which only the stupid blind Nintendo sheeps think that is “the right choice”.

      https://pso2blog.wordpress.com/2015/10/31/36th-broadcast-trailers-info-and-thoughts/

    • Lynn Kitty

      Maybe you shouldn’t call other people sheep when you can’t seem to even have a nice conversation?

    • TalesOfBS

      How? I if say “censorship should be banned” the first reply i am going to get is “lel sick pedo kek wants unrealistic cow tits”.

    • Lynn Kitty

      Self Control and thinking for a bit before you reply to anything. Gotta be the better example and show others.

    • Qmish

      but can we play PSO2? no official release for west and they block foreigners by ip

    • TrueWiiMaster

      That goes for everyone, not just women. Unless a game has an incredibly in-depth customization system, not everyone’s character will be able look like themselves. Leaving the slider in Xenoblade wouldn’t fix the problem you’re describing, because the character still wouldn’t be able to look like the player. The only way to fix it would be to remove the customization altogether, so that no one would be trying (and unable) to make themselves in the game. They’d just play as a pre-made character.

    • Steve Baltimore

      It may not, but it doesn’t send a very good message now does it?

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

    • Steve Baltimore

      Basically they are saying that very small or very big bust are offensive otherwise they wouldn’t have removed this from the game. Cause what other purpose could this possibly serve? It took them more work to take this out than to leave it.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I think they probably thought it was offensive to let players mess around with bust size at all, not that one size or another was itself offensive. They probably just left it at the middle setting. Also, based on what the author said, even with the slider you couldn’t change the size much, so it would still send the message you’re worried about, perhaps even moreso.

    • Steve Baltimore

      Well that is a horrible explanation and if it didn’t matter that much why remove it? I personally will not support Nintendo in any localization till they actually start localizing games again and not Westernizing them. I hope everyone that buys this has a great time with it but I will not support this.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Because it didn’t matter enough not to. It makes no practical difference in the game whether it’s there or not. If someone didn’t like it, that could’ve been all they needed to remove it.

      Unfortunately, the only message that sends is that Americans don’t want JRPG’s. Personally, I’m definitely getting this game. The only question is whether or not I get the Special Edition.

    • Steve Baltimore

      I spend over 800 bucks a year on mostly JRPGs trust me I have plenty of content coming from other pubs to support.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I saw the links you posted elsewhere, and it made me very curious. If you refuse to support any of Nintendo’s localizations because of any censorship in any of their games, do you also refuse to support localizations from Atlus, Idea Factory, Square Enix, and NISA, all of whom have censored games in the West in the last few years? If you go back another few years, you could add Sony and SEGA to that list too. It doesn’t seem like that would leave you with very many JRPG’s.

    • Steve Baltimore

      Idea Factory only censored Monster Monpiece which I imported, they released the sequel in Asia uncensored. Atlus was forced into the Dungeon Travelers 2 edits by the ESRB, this what they said and I’ll take their word on it. I did buy Bravely Default although I shouldn’t have cause that was more useless censorship. Which Leaves NISA they have censored 3 games in total the two Mugen games and Criminal Girls. I was quilted into Criminal Girls by a friend and that was the dumbest censorship I’ve ever seen and I said never again.

      and years back a lot was censored it seems Nintendo would like to go back to that and they can, but without me.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      If you’re willing to import the original versions, why not do the same for Nintendo’s games? The region locking (such a terrible thing)? Also, are you sure that Nintendo didn’t remove the costumes from Xenoblade to keep it from getting a higher ESRB/PEGI rating?

      I don’t think that’s quite fair. Back in the day they removed/changed tons of stuff, including stuff that was fairly important, like the swastikas in Wolfenstein and the fatalities in Mortal Kombat. The removals in Xenoblade are very small in comparison. In general, Nintendo makes very few changes in games these days, and while some are awkward and unnecessary, none are major parts of the games.

    • Steve Baltimore

      I don’t think they removed any, not that I am aware of, and you cannot import due to the region locking even if I wanted to, I agree they do better today than 20 years ago, but this is completely senseless, but I totally disagree a customization option when the character you create is the protagonist is unnecessary. The costume edits to Lyn aren’t that extreme, though they are pretty pointless, but I can see at least somewhat of reason for them, but this is no reason for this, none whatsoever.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I was referring to Lyn’s costume changes. I forgot that they were just altered and not removed.

      I agree that the option’s removal is unnecessary, but I still think the option itself is incredibly unimportant in this game, which is why I don’t mourn its loss. It was never necessary to play the game, and by definition, that makes it unnecessary.

    • SullenSamurai

      So you’re saying the removal of this feature improved the game as a whole because there was no way everyone was going to be happy? I’m sorry, but you don’t “fix” non-perfect scenarios by making them worse. That is, quite frankly, one of the most idiotic things I’ve had the displeasure of reading on the internet (and this is the internet, mind you).

      “Sorry, guys, but there’s not going to be enough cake for everyone. So we’re just going to throw it all away. It wouldn’t be fair otherwise.”

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I never said that. The removal of this feature is to the detriment of the customization system, though I’d say it’s only a minor loss from a system that wasn’t important to the game in the first place. What I was saying in my previous comment is that the only way to keep people from being disappointed that they can’t customize a character to look like themselves (if that’s their goal) is to not let them customize. It would be too hard to make a system that could replicate everyone, especially in a game where customization isn’t a focus.

    • SullenSamurai

      I won’t argue with you over what you did and didn’t mean. But you did say “the only way to fix it would be to remove the customization altogether”, which, you have to admit, welcomes confusion: you were implying there was a problem and that this was a solution, which is to say an “improvement” to the situation.

      As far as your arguments go, first of all you don’t have the right to determine what is and isn’t “important to the game” for anyone but yourself, so you should just stop right there.

      Second, you’re suggesting that because the character creation system isn’t overwhelmingly robust, that removing features from this already completed system in an already completed product is not at all problematic, and that comes back to what I ultimately feared you were saying: that because something is not perfect, there is no way to make it worse. And that is anything but true.

      Either way, I have no real desire to argue with you, admittedly combative tone aside. I welcome further discussion, but only if we’re going to till new soil as it were.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      That’s a bit out of context. I did say that, but it was in response to someone else saying the problem existed. If anyone being unable to create themselves in a character creator is a problem, the only solutions would be to make an incredibly in-depth creator, so everyone could make themselves, or to remove the creator, so no one had the problem in the first place. Otherwise there would always be people who couldn’t create themselves. Personally, I don’t think it’s much of a problem, if a problem at all, but that was the assertion I was responding to.

      I have no more right than anyone else. My point was that the customization in this game has no real effect on the game. In some games, race, gender, etc. can influence the game, but as I understand it, nothing in Xenoblade changes no matter how you build your character. It would play the same if you used the default/preset customization options.

      I specifically said the removal is to the detriment of the system. The system just isn’t that important in the game, for the aforementioned reason.

    • SullenSamurai

      I understand, and I have no means of propagating further disagreement. I just really don’t like hearing that such and such thing has “no real effect on the game”, because, honestly, that’s both an extremely subjective notion and one on iffy ground by virtue of being an absolute statement (best to avoid those; they’ll kill you). One man’s molehill is another man’s mountain, and all that.

      I see that it doesn’t bother you, which is perfectly fine, but I would suggest that you try not to assume that it doesn’t bother anyone else (or that it shouldn’t); the removed breast slider or even the character customization feature as a whole may not be a system-crucial element that will cause the game to crash or anything extreme like that by removing it, but it could very well be seen as important, if not crucial, to others, namely those with an interest in crafting an avatar of their choosing. To pass off the needless removal of either feature (one hypothetically, the other actually) as a non-issue just seems flippant and, well, insulting.

    • SullenSamurai

      Gender equality, despite what the use of the word “equality” might imply, does not mean treating both (or really “all”) genders the same. By virtue of being different, you can’t treat them the same. It’s about treating them fairly and not discriminating based off the criteria of gender/sex in non-relevant situations.

      Seeing as there are clear differences between male and female anatomy, character-creation is one such situation in which “discriminating” (the non-hurtful meaning of the word; yes, it still exists) is relevant and, hence, fair. Breasts on average are far more prominent on females than on males; in fact, they’re typically used as one of the identifying features of the sex — that’s just biology. As such, you’re going to have difficulty finding men claiming the inclusion of such a feature for female characters but not males is unfair.

      Would it perhaps be fairer still to include a breast-slider for male character creation as well? Sure. But claiming that the removal of a breast-slider is an equally fair alternative when the feature is clearly more pertinent for one sex over the other is just daft.

      And, really, I’d be hard-pressed to find an instance in which removing content from one version of something but not another was a victory for either equality or fairness. In fact, that’s by definition unequal and, as many are saying here and elsewhere, also unfair.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      That’s exactly what it means. What you’re describing is a handicap, not equality. I’d think it’s actually an insult to women to say they need special treatment just for being women.

      I personally don’t think the inclusion of the feature is unfair (or at the very least I don’t care), and I think its removal is stupid and unnecessary. I was just calling the other user out on the idea that giving more options for women than men makes them more equally treated. That’s the literal opposite of equal treatment.

      When I said “male equivalent” I didn’t mean a male breast slider. I meant a slider that is specifically for males, just as the breast slider is specifically for females.

      That’s between regions, not genders. There are certainly various things that are only available in Japan, or only available in the West, and would have to be imported to get them elsewhere.

    • SullenSamurai

      Why did I know this would happen? Listen, I am not at all describing a handicap or unfair preference, nor did I ever single out women for “special treatment”. This isn’t a mathematics equation, where 2 always equals 2; male and female are not synonymous, they’re distinct.

      In certain situations, sex/gender is completely irrelevant, and in those contexts, it is unfair to discriminate based on those criteria. However, if sex/gender is relevant to the matter, than it is fair. Otherwise, you would run into significant problems. There couldn’t be jobs that specifically called for male or female applicants; both sexes would have to be eligible, even if the job description was “dancer” for a men’s club. Pregnant women could not be given special permissions in certain contexts because, seeing as males can’t get pregnant, it would be impossible to apply the same permissions to them and would hence be “unfair”. This is grade school stuff, man.

      Gender/Sex equality is about fairness, not sameness. Fairness is a concept of relativity and relevance; if sex or gender is relevant to a relative situation, than different treatment is to be expected. Women’s breasts develop more significantly seeing as they are a female secondary sexual characteristic; males’ breasts, not so much. Ergo, a breast slider for female character creation makes more sense than one for males. I’m not going to tell you that it would be wrong to say that there being no breast slider for males (and I know now that’s not what you were asking for, but bear with me for a moment) is unfair, but I will say that it is terribly disingenuous.

      And a male equivalent to a breast slider for females would be just that: a breast slider. A “bulge” slider or penis-size slider would not be an “equivalent”, seeing as it’s not the same thing. And by your arguments, if it did exist it would have to be included for female characters as well in order to be fair. Because it’s not about treating the sexes fairly, but about treating them identically, right? You can’t show females “special treatment” by giving them an “exclusive” breast slider, even if you give males a bulge slider to compensate, because both sides got something special that the other side didn’t, and that wouldn’t be “equal” — it wouldn’t be the same.

      Long story short, your argument is ridiculous. Please don’t bother calling out other users on bullshit when your bullshit is far more egregious.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing here. When i said equal I didn’t mean identical. That would be like saying everyone needed to get the same size clothes to be equal. People are different sizes, so they need different sized clothes. Equality would mean equal chance when equally qualified, equal pay for equal work, and in this case, equal options for equal customization.

      In fairness, a breast slider with no male equivalent would not be fair, as it gives one gender more customization options than the other. You’re right about relevancy though. It makes sense for women to have a breast slider in the game, since that’s a female characteristic, and it doesn’t make sense for men to have a breast slider, since that’s not a male characteristic. You’re also right about the “bulge slider” not being a real equivalent. A true male equivalent would be for a specifically male trait that is both visible and desirable. Facial hair, for one, is something that men tend to develop more than women. More muscle customization would be another option, since men also develop larger muscles than women. A muscle slider would alter a typically male characteristic which would be both visible and desirable.

      Hopefully we’re a little closer to the same page now.

    • SullenSamurai

      To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure whether I would personally agree or disagree with a female breast slider with no male equivalent being fair; I could see a salient argument being made for either side. But I definitely agree that a facial hair slider is a solid example of a sort of male “equivalent” given the situation, and if one is not in the game I’d have to say I’m somewhat surprised (that’s pretty standard stuff).

      My disagreement with you mostly stems from the notion of this alteration being “OK” (because I know that, strictly speaking, you’re not saying it’s “good” per se), which I vehemently disagree with. I’m pretty cut-and-dry when it comes to this sort of thing; I just hate needless alteration or “censorship” (I’ll put that in quotes so as to not rustle any jimmies) made during localization.

      Whether or not we’re ultimately on the same page though, we’re certainly closer now, and that’s reassuring. Sorry for any hostility, perceived or otherwise. Cheers.

    • Lynn Kitty

      Then give me a bulge meter for males. 😛 Again, equality works both ways.

    • Steve Baltimore

      They should guys come in different sizes as well.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      A lot of the games that get “censored” aren’t big sellers, so it wouldn’t cost Nintendo much to lose those sales. Withholding your purchase for something minor hurts the game more than Nintendo.

      You’re right that consumers have a voice, but that voice is really just a yes or no statement to the whole game. If you don’t buy it, you’re sending the message that you don’t want it or games like it, not that you don’t like one small, specific part of it.

    • Wolfe

      Lotta people saying ‘No’ to your company as a whole. Better start shopping that resume around to Sony or perhaps MS.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Actually, this gen more people said yes to Nintendo than to Sony. In case you’ve forgotten, Sony made the Vita, and Nintendo made the 3DS. Sony’s pretty much dropping out of handhelds, while Nintendo’s rumored to be making a handheld console hybrid. I guess you’ll say that I’m lying, and that sales figures are opinions, right? Just like last time?

    • Wolfe
    • TrueWiiMaster

      You said Nintendo as a whole. “As a whole” includes the 3DS, and the 3DS has sold more than the Wii U, PS4, and Xbox One combined.

    • Wolfe
    • TrueWiiMaster

      You do realize that those numbers were the sales from one week in Japan, right? In total, the 3DS has sold about 55 million systems worldwide.

    • Wolfe

      lol, aw man this is just straight up denying the facts. Have a good night stalker. See you on Dualshockers, or maybe Gemetsu next time I make a post against your employer.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      So you admit it?

      I don’t go to either of those sites…

    • TalesOfBS

      “but muh 3DS”
      They have been saying this for so long and now suddenly the PS4 sold 60% of its TLD.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      The 3DS has been a very successful system throughout the world, especially with the competition mobile devices bring. Why wouldn’t people mention it, especially when talking about Nintendo “as a whole” rather than just the Wii U? That would be like saying Sony’s failing because of the Vita, and failing to mention the PS4.

    • Qmish

      that’s kind of pessimistic position you have. “it could have been worse”. though..kind of yeaaaaah. so many cool games from all eras of consoles (and computers) are japanese only and no fan translation etc not saying about official release here.

  • Cameron Ward

    I love reading how people have been getting mad over the dumbest little changes. Unless they were pulling a Doogal and changing/destroying the original story to change to foreign audiences, then something like outfit changes and taking out one minor customization option isn’t going to ruin the entire game for you.

    If having the ability to dress 13 year olds in lingerie and giving them massive breasts is more important than the actual game’s story, exploration, quests, giant robots, and combat, then you need to change your priorities

    • Hogtree Octovish

      Yeah, no.
      It’s not so much that the breast adjuster is an important part of the game, it more to do with the fact that it’s unnecessary censorship for the translation to remove it.

      And, no.
      They’re two different stories about the same game.
      The 13-year-old character story was about an optional bikini outfit being censored (which I’m personally neutral on).
      Whereas the breast adjuster is only for the main adult player-created character (which is unnecessary censorship in my opinion).

    • Cameron Ward

      it’s still pretty damn stupid. Everyone is just too whiny and sensitive.

      They could have made this game free to play and made every little thing a microtransaction, but apparently this pointless little thing people are getting pissy over is the straw that broke the camels back…

      Just saying, it could have been a lot worse

    • Hogtree Octovish

      In my opinion, it’s pretty stupid to remove a harmless character customisation option.

      Also, welcome to the internet.
      The place of overdramatic complaining and hyperbole.

      But yes, to some people this is the “straw that broke the camels back”.

      Especially since Fatal Frame 5’s Murican release fiasco.

    • Cameron Ward

      and that was a pointless thing to get angry at also.

    • TalesOfBS

      In your sheep opinion.

    • Cameron Ward

      oh yeah insults…that will get you everywhere…get over your self

    • TalesOfBS

      Funny, i find you pretty damn stupid for just bending over and gladly accepting unnecessary censorship.

  • Splinter

    And Nintendo of America strikes again!

  • Draco Breach

    I have to ask because I’m sick of the hypocrisy on this site.

    Why is it so much worse, so much more offensive when Nintendo does it? Why not treat every other incident of alteration or censorship with as much publicity, coverage, and rage?

    You guys had a total of ONE “brushaway” article for entire character models being altered in PS Vita games to avoid “lolita” characterizations, but you have multiple articles on each one little change Nintendo made.

    I get it. Censorship is bad.

    TREAT IT ALL THE SAME!

    Operation Rainfall’s credibility is really going down hill. I hope this doesn’t continue.

    • Steve Baltimore
    • Draco Breach

      Again, treat it all the same. Lin Lee (Nintendo) alone got three articles (including a Podcast), and moderators from Operation Rainfall continued to egg on the comment section.

      Those articles you linked are much less harsh; some of the language was even apologetic. I even acknowledged that those articles existed; just didn’t link them. Those games had some pretty dramatic changes, even compared to what Nintendo has done to Xenoblade X, and Operation Rainfall practically apologized that those alterations were NECESSARY for ratings boards or future releases.

      Now when Nintendo does it it’s suddenly…

      *ahem*

      THE BIGGEST, EVILEST NEWS EVER!

    • Steve Baltimore

      Nothing harsh about this story, this is a simple news report just like the initial news of the costume changes.

    • Draco Breach

      “In order to comply with restrictions set forth by rating boards, ATLUS made concessions on just four in-game images. On these images, some minor edits were made (and approved by the developer) to adjust the overt graphics to within acceptable ranges for the game’s M-rating.”

      I see this as fair. I can’t see the lead in quote, but I can bet it’s more friendly than this article’s, “A somewhat slap to the face if I do say so myself.” The use of language absolutely feels different.

      To further the point, while those articles admit that avoiding censorship is better, they don’t purposely use leading phrases like “scare customers away” like this article blatantly does.

      As I said, previous articles feel almost apologetic and understanding towards NISA and Atlus (at least in comparison). These past few articles on Nintendo feel like the only thing they are attempting to do is insult their customers and tarnish the gaming industry.

      I reiterate. I felt your articles pertaining to censorship in other games on non-Nintendo consoles were fair. Even taking into account what the developers said.

      However if it’s fair for Atlus to want to comply with ratings boards to maintain M standards, how is it NOT fair for Nintendo not to do the same for T standards (if perhaps that is one or the reason for the alterations). We don’t know the reasons as of yet, and the comments sections especially are jumping into trivial hate fests with absolutely no moderation to try to reign in discussions to be at least constructive.

      To add insult, you especially and a few other site admins and contributors are purposely egging on other users who may have differing opinions and backing obvious trolls and anti-Nintendo fanboys. AS A NOTE, I’m very glad to have a constructive discussion with you at this point in time, but I am forced to admit to seeing you add more than your fair share of fuel to the fire.

      To conclude,

      Do I believe we need to stand up against censorship? Certainly!

      However, we can’t when the choice of dialogue is so vastly different between companies. Xenoblade X is a perfect opportunity to offer the company both support and just criticism.

    • Steve Baltimore

      I expressed my views and I don’t consider the egging anyone on, and anyone can tell you I hate censorship on any level no matter who it is from. We had an entire podcast dedicated to Criminal Girls censorship as well. Furthermore so far Atlus goes with ESRB that is a statement they issued if Nintendo would be more forth coming with what they have actually done to these games there would only be one news piece because you would know all the information at one time rather than it leaking out slowly.

    • Draco Breach

      I don’t recall the podcast on Criminal Girls, so I’ll apologize for my memory lapse there.

      My main concern – as I’ve already stated – is the leading language used in Nintendo articles. It’s also the fact that a zero-evidence Tweet was believed and treated as full-fledged news source when, based on the GameXplain video you posted here, the images in the Tweet were all doctored.

      Have you guys TRIED to reach out to Nintendo to see if there is an explanation? I’m sure they have a press outreach. It may be the only way to actually get any answers.

      For whatever reason, Nintendo isn’t as forthcoming on their localization as other publishers. Bill Trinnen has tried to change that over the years with Treehouse hosting the Nintendo Minute, and I’m almost willing to bet he was behind the Treehouse dialogues at E3.

      Also, I have a question based on something you said. If you aren’t buying Xenoblade Chronicles X because of these alterations, does that mean you also didn’t buy Criminal Girls or those three games you’ve linked? How about the myriad of games from Activision, EA, Ubisoft, et al that get additional censorship in Germany or Australia because of laws there?

      I mean; fair is fair.

    • Steve Baltimore

      I got quilted into Criminal Girls but I said never again after that because that was the dumbest censorship I’ve ever seen. NISA should be ashamed of it. Censor the mini game but leave all the CG uncensored in the galleries you unlock at the end of the game. I swore after that I would never support anything like this again and I won’t

      I have played the Xeno series since Xenogears, I love it, it’s very dear to me and it’s not an easy thing to not just cave and buy it, but at some point you just have to say enough is enough.

      We deal with what happens here in the NA mostly when it comes to censorship since all of are writers are based here, but if some folks from those countries want to apply as writers and cover those things they would be more than welcome to.

  • Brian Gardner

    This article got more comments than any other article I can recall on Operation Rainfall, and I’ve been following since before XC came to NA.

    However, neither the Trilby nor the Cheeto dust could abide a JRPG no longer allowing boob adjustments.

    Truly, the world came to a halt and only through the brilliant arguments of MRAs could this travesty of justice become undone.

    Besides, prostitutes are no longer accepting bitcoin. I suppose I see the need (outside of the thousand and one Tumblr accounts dedicated to Furry fantasies, that is).

  • Proteus

    Unless NOA reconsiders on patching the removed content back the most one can do is mod the iso in the meantime.

    • TalesOfBS

      They said IOSU is coming soon, so at least soon we will be able to just get the JP version and enjoy it.
      Like it should have been since the beginning.

  • TalesOfBS

    As always, the sheeps will say “why is this a big deal?”. IMO they should also remove all the textures and sound effects and we should all go back into playing with pure wireframes like some really early DOS games 3D attempts.

    It is not a big deal. It is okay when Nintendo does it right?

    • TrueWiiMaster

      But it really isn’t a big deal. It has no impact on the game, other than losing one customization option for female characters in a game where the character customization doesn’t really matter. And that would go for any developer/publisher, not just Nintendo.

  • Razorfall

    Kinda shitty, but ultimately it won’t affect my experience as much as some others it seems.

  • Mordeth_Kai

    And this is why I didn’t get the game….

  • Mordeth_Kai

    And this is why I didn’t get the game….

    “Censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates in the end the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion”

    -Henry Steele Commager

  • Blazingsonic

    I encourage people to sign this petition it’s got a lot more followers than you think, it’s down to needing only 47 signatures, Don’t let others shame you for wanting to control the size of your character’s bust, it’s YOUR character, They don’t pick on you for making your Cross green with pink hair do they? It’s not fair to those who bought the game and was expecting that feature. So let’s get our voices heard or this will continue and get worst. https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-put-the-breast-adjustment-option-back-in-xenoblade-chronicles-x?source_location=petitions_share_skip

  • Blazingsonic

    Anyone still fighting this or have we all just given up?