UPDATE: Nintendo Has Personally Killed the Fatal Frame Series For the West

Monday, October 19th, 2015

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This article shows one writers opinion, not all oprainfall staff will share these opinions.

Fatal Frame: Oracle of the Sodden Raven

If you’ve found yourself here, then I’m assuming you’re a fan of the long standing franchise Fatal Frame, which dates back to 2001. Now let’s address just a certain part of the readers, if you’re a fan of Fatal Frame and live in the region controlled by Nintendo of America, then I’m here to tell you that they have taken it into their hands to kill the series in the west. The company also has a message for Wii U owners too and that is, “You can’t handle graphic or sexual content so we are just going to give you whatever we want.”

Fatal Frame V

This relationship with Nintendo of America and the suckers stuck in their region, me included, have been fighting a downhill battle for years now. The lack of third party support for the console should be enough to show that other companies are fighting the same battle. Not only do we receive far less games then any other console owners, but we don’t even get retro games that we have been asking about for years now. Cue in Mother 3, where a fan even offered to translate it for free, but all we get is Reggie punching us in the face with a joke on a digital event.

So let’s go to Spring of 2015 and finally, NOA Wii U holders, a third party game is announced, and it’s focused towards the hardcore gaming community! Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water, also known as Project Zero: Maiden of Black Water for PAL fans, was announced for localization for Europe and America. We rejoiced and took back all those nasty things we said about Nintendo. We started thanking them for giving us such an awesome exclusive game that we can rub in the PlayStation Nation’s face! But wait, somethings strange, no spotlight in the sizzle reel at their E3 2015 event, but they had plenty of time to badly show off Metroid Prime Federation Force?

Fatal-Frame-Wii-U-Costumes-Vid_10-16-15

Here’s where the pieces fall into place, Nintendo of Europe gives an announcement that Project Zero: Maiden of Black Water will be getting a special limited physical release. This is great for them, but when weeks go by and all we hear is silence from NOA, Wii U owners and fans of Fatal Frame knew something bad was going to happen. NOA then announces early in the morning via press release that they will be releasing Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water as an eShop exclusive. Aside from the fact that they put a 16GB game on the eShop, they completely took your choice as a gamer away. Call this petty, call this whatever you want, but it is wrong to completely alienate the fans that have supported you by not only giving up on third parties, but by telling us how we have to get our content, while Nintendo of Europe gets to have their choice (which I’m personally not bitter about. I’m happy NoE fans are happy).

Fatal Frame V

Let’s add a nail to that coffin, shall we? As the October 22nd release date is a day away and the reviews start pouring in Nintendoworldreport.com has confirmed that unlockable bathing suit costumes have been censored out of the America release. According to some reviews, the unlockables have been left in the European release (thanks, Ziddy) We’ve all played games with bathing suit costumes — Tales series, Hatsune Miku, and Dead or Alive, to name a few — that have kept their Mature rating and players still had access to all the costumes. So my only conclusion to this is that NOA wants to end the Fatal Frame franchise for their region and move on. They are going to give you whatever they want and not take any of the fans outcries into consideration.

operation zero

We’ve teamed up with Operation Zero months ago to spread awareness and have hosted a few call-in days where fans call NOA and ask for a physical release in their region. Fans have erupted with support for not only the Wii U, but for a franchise they have cared about for awhile, Fatal Frame. The problem? Here in the West, Fatal Frame will not grow it’s fan base, it will not keep the support of long standing fans, it will be given as little promotion and support from Nintendo of America as possible, and why is that? Because Nintendo of America has killed the Fatal Frame franchise in the West. So gamers and fans are left to accept the hand outs of a company that couldn’t care less about what they have to say.

SOURCE: 1, 2

[Author Edit] Both NoE and NoA have taken the unlockable costumes out. I didn’t make a firm stance on this in the article because we received several different sources stating different information. 

[Author Edit 2] Oprainfall reader, kingofe3, has shared a video confirming that Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water has been censored further than what we have previously gathered. The video below shows first the original Japanese version of a scene from the game and second showing scenes from the European/American version of the game being heavily censored.




  • Bianca Ann Saracino

    I agree with everything you said and I hate it T_T

    • azariosays

      Thank you so much

  • You are a loser.

    Keep crying about a couple of bikini costumes on some sameface anime girls you huge faggot top kek.

    • azariosays

      thanks for reading

    • Wolfe

      Shouldn’t you be in school right now kid?

    • dubaloseven

      nice meme

    • Ruben Myrhagen

      @you are a loser : thank you for wasting precious seconds of your life on us here on the internet! you must be so proud 😀 here have a cookie! did i waste more of your time by making you read this ? good 😀 hehehe

    • Sawyer Shepard

      Why are you even in this comments section? You really are your user name: “You are a loser”.

  • bloblord

    I disagree with just about everything you said.

    1.Lack of Third party support can in no way shape or form be put in the lap of NOA

    2. Claiming that NOA has killed the series completely ignores the historical sales of the series in the west it’s a literal miracle it’s releasing in any form. Claiming a digital release is alienating fans is literally ignoring the fact they brought it over at all believing that if it’s not in the exact form you want it you would be better off without it.

    3. I have a hard time being upset at the costumes being replaced. And can you really call the Zero suit better or worse than some random lingerie?

    • ripFF

      “3. I have a hard time being upset at the costumes being replaced. And
      can you really call the Zero suit better or worse than some random
      lingerie?”

      Yeah. Considering if I wanted a ZSS costume, I’d have asked for it. I don’t.
      What I wanted was the game the Japanese and Europeans got, but in English.

      Apparently that’s too hard for NoA, though, and this M-Rated game is actually rated E. Sorry, T. T for “Spooky stuff”

    • bloblord

      I’m failing to understand the very core of your reasoning. Is literally the only reason you are upset is something was changed?

      Zero suit is no more or less sexual than the initial lingerie (zelda outfit is) and both are a nice nod to fans in less pandering way. Even if it was less sexual why does that upset you?

    • azariosays

      why are you okay with being spoon fed? why alienate gamers?

    • bloblord

      Spoon fed what? Alienate gamers? You are literally sitting here telling me that removing a lingerie costume and replacing it with a cooler costume is alienating gamers and being spoon fed?

      What part of any of this can be considered being spoon fed?

      Alienation is much to strong a word for this incredibly minor an IMHO better change.

    • azariosays

      but why wouldn’t you want all the costumes? and if you don’t care about the censored ones than move along, but why fight and disagree with your fellow gamers that want that? or fight and disagree with fellow gamers that want a physical release? i’m not saying the samus and zelda costumes aren’t cool i’m askin why noa thinks it’s okay to tell us what we are going to play and how we are going to play it

    • bloblord

      Because they are some random unlockable not at all part of the game’s core story, content, or play method.

      You started the fight you’re fighting right now I’m just attempting to show what I believe is the context of the situation and reasoning behind it. No one is telling you what you are going to play or how you are going to play it but yourself.

    • Wolfe

      Don’t be mad that there’s some content you can’t access. It doesn’t change the gameplay.

      I guess if we reduced the game to its core elements of code, with bare grey walls and graph models interacting in them, there would be no cause to be upset, as it wouldn’t effect the gameplay experience.

    • bloblord

      That’s taken to a logical extreme. Hyperbole. It’s 2 costumes out of the entire game that were changed to something better.

    • Wolfe

      If only gameplay matters, aesthetics are meaningless. Stand by your conviction, sir.

    • Suikoversum

      If that’s what counts: Yes, this game gets better when you remove the stupid fanservice. It’s a horror game. And this “spoon feeding” argument is really, really weak. You could project this to ANY game by ANY company.

    • Wolfe

      Fanservice isn’t a part of horror? Ohshit, better wipe out half the Hollywood films upon which the horror genre today is built before someone gets the wrong impression!

    • Suikoversum

      If you really consider that Hollywood trash to be true horror, I can’t help you. If you can explain to me, why bikini costumes which you can only wear in your second run as bonus costumes help the game in any way, I’d love to read it.

    • Wolfe

      Are you really trying to play the ‘it’s not TRUE horror’! nonsense? Man, you’ve already lost. At least accept that with some dignity.

      But I know you won’t. Gotta prove your opinion can rewrite reality because it’s just that goddamned important. So go ahead.

    • Suikoversum

      Really few things can compare to the mindfucking acid trips that Japanese call horror. At least from their basic premise, they are often superior to big budget horror movies (I mean seriously, what was the last Hollywood Horror production that was good!?)

      So now please explain how the bikinis/underwear add to the horror experience because I seriously cannot see it.

    • Wolfe

      Hm. Must be confusion. We were both talking HOLLYWOOD films above, now suddenly you’re here shit-talking Japanese horror. Inconsistent narrative is a popular staple of you goal-shifters. And on the topic, let’s examine the link between horror and fanservice. Why look. A list.

      http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=horror&num_votes=1000,&sort=user_rating,desc&title_type=feature

      Oh how nice, they included a variety of titles with skimpy underwear scenes. How coincidental!

      Oh and lookie here!

      A top 10 list from WatchMojo that celebrates some of the more notable exceptions!

      Face it. You don’t care about how the outfits improve or damage the gameplay. You’re just against fanservice and trying to make an argument for why something that doesn’t fit your tastes shouldn’t exist.

      Well here’s a better fucking question to ask yourself. Why are you so against a little skin in a game, but perfectly okay with brutal violence? The answer is because you’re a typical westerner, with typical puritanical values.

      And one more thing. If Japanese horror films are ‘mindfucking acid trips’, why the fuck are you playing a Japanese horror game?

      Here’s a word of advice: Shut the hell up. You’ll do less damage to your public profile that way.

    • Suikoversum

      mind-fucking acidtrip is a compliment for a horror film, isn’t it? I’m a fan of Japanese horror.

      I really can’t follow your argument (what do the top 100 horror movies prove? In the Top 50, there is no Hollywood Production which is younger than 10, maybe 15 years. So it actually proves my point about no good Hollywood Horror movies) and I think you don’t even want to discuss anything so I’ll stop here. I’m not against naked skin, I just think that removing this fanservice does not damage the experience of the game. As I’m german, I wasn’t raised with puritanical values, but Lutheranic, and actually even little with these.

    • Wolfe

      What it proves is that you know jack shit about horror. Yet somehow think you’re qualified to tell everyone how this move improves the experience.

      And if the skimpy outfits add or detract from the experience, then the Zelda and Samus ones just look absurd. Stop fronting.

    • Suikoversum

      Yeah for all it matters, I could live without the Zelda and Samus one. I already found the funny costumes unnecessary in Bayonetta 2.

      Yeah I know nothing about horror, just that appearently in the past 15 years, there was no film made in Hollywood worthy of being considered being one of the top 50. And that was the point I made. I must be happy to have never been engaged in a discussion with a troll, because this is ridicolous.

    • Wolfe

      Opinion ain’t fact, no matter how many times you try and present it as such. And I’m not a troll just because you can’t back up your argument.

    • Suikoversum

      Do you read your own posts? You just posted the top 100 horror movies and there’s not a single hollywood movie from the past 10 or 15 years in the top 50. Of that list, at least. If you don’t think this list is relevant, then don’t post it.

    • Wolfe

      Motherfucker do YOU READ?
      The Shining;
      Alien.
      The Thing.
      The Exorcist.
      Dawn of the Dead.
      Night of the Living Dead.
      Halloween.

      Do I need to go on, or will just continue talking out of your ass and hoping no one will notice?

    • Sam Malik

      When was the last Japanese horror game that had fanservice?

    • Gerginaut

      You were doing so well at being a subtle troll until this post. Good effort, but I guess nothing lasts forever 🙁

    • MrJohnson90

      “But why fight and disagree with your fellow gamers that want that?”

      Because damn near everything in this article is incorrect and shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s obvious the content and theme of this game would’ve suffered from an AO rating in this country. They’re not “censoring” or removing anything just for sake of it. They’re doing it to avoid controversy or being able to sell the game at all. How hard is that to understand?

      When Nintendo told PG to give Bayonetta back her open cleavage Link outfit and NOA did nothing to modify it, I’m sure they wouldn’t have a problem with this and would’ve just released it.

    • Abresh Arquah

      Then the rating system needs to change, SuperSam90. If something as damned MILD as the Fatal Frame series get an A/O rating, it is perhaps time to say that unless there is EXPLICIT sexual conduct in the game (i.e. people actually doing the nasty on screen) an A/O rating will not be handed out.

    • Wolfe

      Aesthetics are very important to a visual medium. It’s fine if you don’t gravitate towards those ‘pandering’ costumes, but they’re a big draw for some of us. MMOs pump out various armour sets with only minor statistical differences, but people will grind away for weeks just because they like the way it looks.

      And taking away the choice from the audience in this case demonstrates the same sort of disregard for the audience that we saw when we all asked for Xenoblade several years back. The very thing that lead to this site, in fact.

    • Budgiecat

      hi Wolfe

    • British_Otaku

      Howdy, cat.

    • Epic Ninfia

      Pervert

    • Fighunter

      It’s not random lingerie. Those are actual outfits during parts of the story, as the characters work as models.

    • Bogart

      Is that true? Then the removal is even worse.

    • Epic Ninfia

      Perv

    • Epic Ninfia

      Lingerie has nothing to do with a horror game

    • Dighunter

      You’d know why it was in the game if you actually played it, you jackass. Don’t try and moralize me here when it’s clear you don’t even know what the character’s profession is.

    • Mohammad Yasin

      you dont need lingerie to be a model theres this thing called models who model fully clothed

    • Mohammad Yasin

      shes a model not as specific type

    • Dighunter

      Except she’s A GRAVURE MODEL YOU MORON
      You’ve clearly not played the game considering this is directly a plot point and part of her character you insufferable prude.
      Why are you hypocritical asshats who clearly don’t care about the game crawling out of the woodworks to lie? Do you enjoy being caught making shit up?

    • Budgiecat

      Fatal Frame 1 – 110k U.S.
      Fatal Frame 2 – 120k U.S.
      Fatal Frame 3 – 40k U.S. (this due to not being also on XBox)

      Fatal Frame IV – Wii JPN – 80k
      Fatal Frame V Wii U JPN only – 70k
      Fatal Frame 2 DC Wii – JPN – 100k

      Not even gonna bother posting embarassing sales #s for Fatal Frame II DC EU due lack of marketing from NoEU for Fatal Frame II put it in abysmal #s

      Point is proper marketing and promotion and distribution = better sales results.
      The gaming market in U.S. and EU is objectively way huger than the Japanese home console one could ever be. Problem is NoA and NoEU dont really take advantage of that properly and have little faith.

    • Nicholas Perry

      Censorship is still censorship.

      Let alone the fact that the size of the game will take up the majority of 99% of Wii U consoles out there since it tops out at 32GB (Not even usable) and your only alternative is not SDCards that is actually supports, no. Only slow USB 2.0 hard drives.

    • azariosays

      you are right. the funny thing is is that people are saying this article is JUST about the costumes when that was 4-5 sentences of the article. censorship was just more than this gamer could handle from that company at this point

    • Wolfe

      Selective hearing is fairly common amongst those with closed minds and a premeditated narrative to push.

    • Suikoversum

      From the 6 paragraphs, there’s one paragraph about the censorship. One is an introduction and one a conclusion. It’s actually a pretty huge part of your article. You could have elaborated a lot about the series’ past, how digital-only is actually destroying games (is it?), but you didn’t.

    • Mike

      Digital-Only has some very specific problems when it comes to the Wii U, so the discussion of whether or not it is destroying games in general will get sidetracked by the Nintendo-specific reasons it is a bad idea. The very limited storage space and the file size of the game is a horrible combination in this instance.

      The lack of a physical copy is the primary reason I decided against this game. I’m not inclined to go and buy a separate storage unit for it. (“But those hard drives are cheap now!” I hear someone calling from the peanut gallery in the back. Yeah, I know…and if someone WANTS to add another $30-$50 to the price of a game, then that’s their choice…I just don’t like it to be a forced choice, get me?)

      When the censorship issue is included, that becomes a second reason. Before I knew about it, the digital-only aspect was already the deal-breaker for me. Now that I do know about the censorship, I would continue to ignore it. It has less to do with an insistence on having digital lingerie on characters than it does with my distaste at having something censored by some suit who has such a lack of understanding for their product, that they evidently think this game is being marketed to the 3-5 age group.

      The only reason a company would take out material of that nature from a horror game is in the hopes of not offending someone’s tender sensibilities. Since I’m aware of the censorship, I won’t knowingly reward it with my money. I’d just as soon ignore the product, since the providers are more keen to appeal to a market that prefers a more puritanical bent in their horror stories.

      But, to be fair, they could throw in all the bikinis, lingerie and cowgirl outfits with ass-less chaps in the world, and I still wouldn’t buy it if it did not have a physical release.

      “Inconvenient to use and censored to appeal to puritanical audiences” simply isn’t the demographic that I am in.

    • open minded

      I’m very late to this discussion, but I think some gore was censored as well. Saw a clip from the Japanese version where one the deaths seem far more brutal than it was when I played through our version.

  • ripFF

    As unhappy as I am with this disastrous North American release, at least it gives me an excuse to refuse to give NoA more money.
    It’s their loss in the long run. Meanwhile, considering the history of Nintendo consoles, I’ll be able to play the EU version on my PC in about 3 years.

    Maybe another gaming company wants my money instead. I wonder if Sony is looking for people to buy Until Dawn.

  • James Phobos

    “They’re not giving us our boring needlessly sexualizing skimpy outfits! Worst game!” That’s basically what I’m getting here. Like, I know there’s other stuff before that, but if you’re ending on “No objectification = death of the series”….

    • azariosays

      I’m clearly upset about the lack of choice they give gamers. they take all of that away from you and tell you what you are going to play. why aren’t you outraged?

    • bloblord

      What choice are they removing? Whether to buy it digital or physical?

      Why is this choice an issue?

      Would you rather the game have not released at all then get a digital copy?

      There’s is literally nothing here worth being upset over.

    • azariosays

      to be honest, after talking with xSeed. Yes, I would of preferred the game not be released this way. ripped of the original creators intentions and handed to me via whatever platform the company wants. I want what Europe has received, why must we be told what we can see and how we can play games?

    • bloblord

      There is 1 change in this game and it’s only 2 unlockable costumes that’s it. How do you know the original creators were not ok with this change? Do you understand this game has historically not broken 100k in NA even on a platform with 120million sales?

      Finally you can want what you want but don’t ruin it for the rest of us. I would rather have the game. No one is telling me what I can and cannot see.

      Your argument is as bad as the Bayonetta 2 freakout. You would rather it not exist then exist in a manner you don’t like.

    • Wolfe

      His argument is spot on. You clearly dislike the costumes and have built a lousy narrative around why everyone else should feel the same way.

      Idiotic is posturing as if you have some sort of moral grounds to dismiss removed content on. To pretend there’s some wise business plan for it. You’re here for spite.

      But that’s okay. So am I. Have some.

    • TalesOfBS

      It is called being a sheep.

      Remember, Nintendo is always right.

    • Mike Nieto

      Azario is not ruining everything for the rest of you. If you are happy by having less options, then go be happy somewhere else. It’s already clear by now the general opinion on this site is different than yours.

      Shouldn’t you be playing your digital-only 60$ censored game instead of being here acting like a fanboy for a multimillion dollar corporation¿

    • Suikoversum

      “I want what Europe has received, why must we be told what we can see and how we can play games?”
      Wow, I wonder how often you said something similar when Europe got nothing at all. SMT IV digital only, like many other great games. We’re lacking LE for about every Atlus game, and the NISA EU store is heavily overpriced. You hve every right to be upset and to your opinion, but I wonder if you’d ever solidarize with EU mates which suffered for like the last 30 years of console games.

    • azariosays

      I care about all gamers in regions.We also have writters on staff from England so believe me there are voices for that here and i am very happy someone got a phyrsical release of this game cause when gamers are stoked than so am I. I strife for a more inclusive gamer future one where these issues don’t come up for anyone.

    • Suikoversum

      I’m looking forward to your articles about games which European players don’t get then.

    • Wolfe

      “There’s is literally nothing here worth being upset over.”

      Well that’s just like, your opinion man.

      “Also the download install size of the game easily exceeds the capacity of the basic wii u model as well as over half of the 32gb model wii u. So right there owners of the basic model are unable to even play the game unless they buy external hardware and even owners of the 32gb model may have to as well.

      For a system with such very limited memory there shouldn’t be big releases released digital only.”

    • bloblord

      1. Cheap expandable storage is plentiful and easy to find. You can get a 40GB hard drive for $30 according to a quick amazon search and if you want to live on the wild side a flash drive for $9.

      2. It’s not a big release

    • Wolfe

      So the message here is: “Yeah, we’re just going to make it digital only. If you have the basic model but want to play it, you better go buy some more memory for this system that has only a handful of major releases left. That’s our answer to you, and no, don’t ask us about what our EU counterparts are doing.”

      You can excuse them all you want, but this is how you alienate consumers. This is not the all-powering digital only world that keeps being advocated, people, particularly hardcore collectors, who a game like this relies upon, like a physical edition to sit on their shelves. Even a bare boned one.

      But hey, if there’s one thing I’ve learned about Nintendo fans, it’s that they never run out of ways to excuse the spiteful nature of their favorite company, so carry on.

    • Suikoversum

      You can use the storage device afterwards for pretty much whatever you like. If you want to properly play Xenoblade on Wii U, you need space for the additional data that helps the game running smooth anyway.

    • Wolfe

      So again, your message, along with NoA’s is ‘deal with it’.
      Great PR there, captain.

    • Suikoversum

      ? I’m just saying that you need space on your Wii U. I think the Xenoblade Patch (which you don’t need to play, but makes playing a lot smoother or so I’ve heard) is 16 GB or more. I’m not making excuses for anything.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Anyone who bought the Basic model knew they were going to have practically no storage when they bought it (unless they had no idea what they were buying, which would be on them). For that reason, Basic Wii U owners make up a fairly small minority of all Wii U owners, and likely tend to be more casual when it comes to games. Of the Basic owners that are serious gamers, the majority will probably already have external storage. In other words, the minority of Wii U owners own Basic systems; of that minority, a minority are interested in Fatal Frame; and of that minority, likely a minority is without storage. For that tiny group that’s left, there are plenty of cheap flash drives around.

    • Wolfe

      Thanks for reaffirming what I’ve already said, Mr. Nintendo PR sir.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      All I affirmed was that the number of people affected by going digital-only is very small, and even to them the effect was slight. That’s not a PR spin. It’s fact.

    • Wolfe

      Whatever you say, Mr. Nintendo PR sir.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Nice response. No real answer?

    • BattlerArisato

      Tell me, what does stop NoA to make physical copies and make the game for people who can’t or don’t want to download the game for multiple reasons?

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Profitability, mostly. If they release the game at retail, they have to split profits with the retailers. Even if they do a limited release, selling just from their own site, and they charge more, there’s simply not that much profit to be made.

    • BattlerArisato

      Then why NoE made the decision to make the game both physical and Digital? I understand that NoA want to get more money, but why when their counterpart do the same and with no fears?

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I couldn’t say. Maybe more Wii U owners in America use the eshop, making it more feasible in the US than in Europe.

    • BattlerArisato

      I highly doubt it, with the Nintendo digital system everybody just hates to buy stuff digitally, the idea of a game tied with a system and not an account is completely stupid, believe me that most of the nintendo system owners HATE to buy digitally because the digital market of Nintendo sucks.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I tend to think it does better than you think, considering everything Nintendo has been doing to push it, but I doubt we’d ever see the figures for the retail games on the eshop.

      Generally I buy my Wii U games at retail, but I’m fine with buying them (along with indie and classic games) for a good price on the eshop. I’ve gotten quite a few on the 3DS like that. I like Nintendo’s online market (though I wish the account system was better). Generally the eshop runs better than the PS Store on my PS3, and it’s easy to use.

    • BattlerArisato

      I understand your point but is still horrendous and I’ve experienced by first hand, having your 3DS stolen with your digital-only games and can’t recover them until you buy another 3DS and with no guarantee that you’ll recover the games because the thief could have deleted your account from that console is terrible, losing all the DLC and digital games that you bought is terrible, also, having to call to USA because there’s no support on your country is also another problem (and a BIG one), people outside of USA have it rough, you have to lie to have access to a good eshop because outside of USA and Canada the eshop is obsolete, here on the eshop from Chile we doesn’t even have the 10% of games you have on yours and if you don’t lie Nintendo don’t even give a shit about your games, they give you the excuse that “we’re not qualified to give your games because we can’t support you being from a foreign country” and if Nintendo does have a call center on your country, they still deny you help because your account is an USA/Canadian account.
      TL;DR: Nintendo eshop sucks on every way, and if you’re not from USA/Canada then sucks harder, you won’t get any good titles and even if you make an “American”/Canadian account you have the risk to get your system stole and not receiving any help whatsoever. I’m sorry but the reality is much different than you think.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      They definitely need to work on the account system.

      On another note, is that how it works with Xbox Live or PSN, or do those systems have one store across North and South America? I know to access the Japanese or European PSN you have to set up a Japanese or European account.

    • BattlerArisato

      The chilean store is way more close than the American, at least on the PS Store, there’s even some good sales time by time, and of course there’s some differences between continents but that’s something more related to publishers, is way more different than the Nintendo eshop, that’s why nobody outside of USA and Canada try to buy digital games (at least on America) you’re paying something that ends not being yours.

    • azariosays

      the fact that nisa does this limited vita physical releases just goes to show you that it isn’t as hard as you’d think.

    • Wolfe

      When you demonstrate some actual facts, and not ‘facts’ get back to me.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      You’re right. Some of what I said was conjecture, though it’s fairly apparent. This time I’ll stick with facts. We know that the majority of Wii U owners own Deluxe models. We also know that Fatal Frame has never had a large following, especially in the US. Even if every American who bought the last Fatal Frame bought/had a Wii U and bought the new game, that would amount to less than 50k copies. Of the Wii U Basic owners, many, even if not a majority, have external storage already. Those are all facts. Put together, they mean that, unless Fatal Frame 4 did better than 3, which came out on a system with more than 10x as many players, it would sell less than 50k copies total, about 1% of all Wii U owners in America, the majority of which would be to Wii U Deluxe owners. Of the remaining sales, many would go to people who already have external storage. In other words, the majority, likely a vast majority, of people would be able to download Fatal Frame 4 without buying external storage.

    • Wolfe

      All speculation. All opinion.
      Move along.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Your denial is amazing. You even think sales figures are speculation and opinion…

    • Wolfe

      How dare I not take the good word of a random, professed fanboy over the internet as anything short of unquestionable truth!

      Objection!

    • TrueWiiMaster

      The Wii U Basic isn’t even available anymore, except for random leftover bundles from 2 years ago and 3rd party sellers. You really think more people have Basic Wii U’s than Deluxe Wii U’s? The sales figure for Fatal Frame 3 came from VGChartz, and the PS2, which it came out on, had around 10x as many systems sold as the Wii U in America. Which fact do you think I’m making up?

      Also, I never professed to be a fanboy, and wouldn’t describe myself as such.

    • Wolfe

      Sure thing Mr TrueWiiMaster.
      No fanboy at all, almost certainly.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Yes, because giving myself a username based on something I like means I’m a fanboy of it, right? I could change it to anything. It wouldn’t make my points less valid, or your denial less severe.

    • Wolfe

      Sure doesn’t help your insistence that you’re not.

      And fuck your ‘points’. I repeat: You have nothing but opinions that you’re presenting as factual. If anyone is in denial here, it’s you buddy.

      But I can see you’re not going to shut up. You’re obsessed with the last word. I checked out your posts on other threads. You’ll ramble on for weeks if it means you can get in the last word. So have at it with my blessings.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      But it doesn’t hurt it either. It’s irrelevant.

      Sales numbers are not opinions. They are facts. For some reason, you can’t seem to understand that, hence my accusation of denial.

      Ironically, you’ve posted more comments than me, in about 1/3rd of the time (my account’s roughly 3x older than yours). If one of us has a problem with posting, it’s you.

    • Wolfe

      I’ve got nothing left to say to you fanboy.
      Go be in love with your own voice to someone else.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      You haven’t really said much of anything in a while anyway.

      Also, since I’m typing, not speaking, that voice comment didn’t really make sense.

    • Nicholas Perry

      Except they are censoring the creator’s creation and pushing their own agenda instead, while not giving you the option not literally not deleting everything on your Wii U to be able to play the game at all.

    • fuck you

      You know, some people still live in areas where Internet connection sucks dick. Sorry not everybody lives in your Broadband utopia.

    • James Phobos

      Because I don’t care if the choice taken away is “do you want to see this literally teenage girl dress in impractical outfits get wet OR do you want to see this same teenage girl in literally lingerie doing the same!”

      Listen: I know what you said for the rest of the article. I admitted that outright.

      However, if you say that “the final nail in the coffin of how this series is going to be ruined” is all about that you can’t access the needless super sexy options to put the female protag in? It doesn’t make me particularly confident about what you think is interesting or necessary to a HORROR game. If that is your idea of what will make or break a game, no matter the genre, it looks bad and boring on you to me.

    • Wolfe

      Welp, I do. Lots of other peeps do. And when that’s the kind of game you’re selling, you sell to the intended audience. Not the latest wave of neo-puritanical fashionistas.

      And by the way. If you think horror and sexualized characters aren’t connected, you probably know very little about the horror genre.

    • azariosays

      it’s just another nail of NoA telling me what i can and cannot see. I’m completely over them forcing me to just deal with it.

    • PanurgeJr

      You manufactured outrage for an opinion piece. You’re not over it.

    • Wolfe

      He stated an opinion, and you read it. Sounds like he ain’t the only one not over it.

    • James Phobos

      There’s a lot I could say here about “that’s what the internet is for”, or “well this isn’t DOA swimsuit edition” or

      “Wow, not getting your fanservice, that sounds a lot like what people attracted to men have to deal with from Kei Amakura to Choushiro Kirishima to Ren Hojo since none of them get even remotely the kind of fan service outfits that the female protags get which are nothing more than pure objectification in a series that’s already bad about that with just their default outfits, almost none of which are practical for the places most of these characters willingly end up in with the exception of Rei Kurosawa. (Which could be excuse with dream logic or her connecting her outfit with the death of her boyfriend so strongly that’s what she imagines herself in when in dream ghost land, and yet it’s possibly ironic since she’s still the only one who has yet to wear the sensible option of pants)”

      …You see where I’m getting at and why I’m having a hard time finding any sympathy for you on this particular point?

      Because if you don’t, then I’m going to stop doing the thing I’ve told myself I would never do, which is get into arguments in the comments section of a video game article. (jfc, self, this is why we can’t have nice things)

    • Wolfe

      I see that you’re pleased fanservice elements were removed since you personally disapprove of them. I see that you refuse to acknowledge the massive memory sink required in lieu of a limited physical release is an issue for many who own a Wii U.

      You see why we have a hard time finding any sympathy for you.

    • Wolfe

      I do believe the lack of choice is the issue.
      The inability to purchase a hard copy, while having a game that eats up the bulk of your HD memory isn’t a great way to sell a game. When your console is starved of third party support, it’s probably not a good idea to take the legs off the one that shows up.

      As for the costumes? If lingerie in a horror game is out of line, then pretty much every Hollywood horror genre piece should be censored by the MPAA. People have a right to enjoy what they enjoy. And when those things are removed for seemingly no reason, we have a right to be upset.

      No amount of name-calling and belittling will change that.

    • bloblord

      The game was released even though it’s historical sales on a much higher selling console (over 10x) have been very low so we can’t be upset it was released.

      The wiiU supports expandable storage

      Not saying it’s out of line just saying it’s not worth being upset over. You can enjoy what you want to enjoy but that’s not a reason to freak out over such a miniscule change in a game.

    • Wolfe

      Being critical of bad decision making isn’t crying. It’s being critical.

    • James Phobos

      My original post was: ” “They’re not giving us our boring needlessly sexualizing skimpy outfits! Worst game!” That’s basically what I’m getting here. Like, I know there’s other stuff before that, but if you’re ending on “No objectification = death of the series”…. ”

      If you can point out to me where I’m explicitly calling the author of the article names, that’d be great. After all, I am trying to move away from the Internet School of “angry 13 year old boy on Xbox Live” way of arguing.

      Am I being a bit belittling? I don’t particularly think so, but I understand how it could come off that way. However, honestly? I’m not going to be upset about that when the complaint is essentially, at it’s core, “I know this teenage character is already in an impractical outfit and super tiny shorts and getting so wet that I can see her bra strap, but I’m SUPER upset that I don’t get the choice to see her in literal lingerie”.

      I know that your first paragraph, the one covered in the article, is a legitimate complaint! I was totally on board when I was first reading through it. It wasn’t what I was looking for in regards to this game, but I thought it was a totally legit thing to be upset about. *However*, when he says that the “final nail in the coffin” is something as trite and tired as a lack of sexy outfits in a game that is already fairly fanservicey… That’s when he lost credibility in my eyes. Him giving it a title like “final nail in the coffin” made the lack of sexy outfits seem like his Big Deal that was what took precedence over everything else.

      And yeah, I find needlessly sexy outfits boring, trite, and frankly misogynistic in the horror genre. The Fatal Frame series has so much potential to offer us: the horrifying extents that people will go to in the idea of the greater good, the disconcerting unnatural movements of ghosts, hiding against enemies you can do nothing against, on and on. It takes away from the horror when the camera is too busy looking up a teenage girl’s ass.

      Yes, yes, women in nudity or skimpy outfits or whatever in danger is a normal thing in horror, whether movies or video games. *That is not a good thing*. I could make a list of what that trope is, but then we’d be here all day, and it wouldn’t be a good one.

      If anyone wants to jerk it to girls in skimpy outfits, there are plenty of other places to do that. It shouldn’t be in a horror game.

      (Or, if you’re really so desperate to keep the Fatal Frame ladies in skimpy outfits, then it’s only reasonable for characters like Ren Hojo to be put in the same: pants or shorts slipping off his hips, his chest glistening from the many water effects, his hand reaching up to sweep his hair messily back from his face, the camera focusing on perky nipples. This is the “manly” option. It doesn’t seem like it would be particularly fair if he didn’t get to join in on the lingerie party too, tbh.)

    • Wolfe

      So you restructure the author’s words in quotations to make him sound like a sniveling teenage twat, then claim no foul. Yeah, okay. You either don’t deal in self-awareness or refuse to acknowledge your mannerisms. You’re full of it either way.

      But now that you’ve busted out ‘misogynistic’, there’ no question as to what the context of your argument is, and there’s nothing left to debate. I leave you to your self-hate and loathing.

      I’ve got a Dead or Alive game to play. Please enjoy your Wii-Wii.

    • evilmajikman

      Video games are art. There’s no need to remove the costumes in the first place. And if you don’t like the sexy outfits, well first off, it’s optional, secondly you can play anything else. I’d rather have the game fully the way the creators made it than to have it released in this manner. Nintendo could delay it a few months to restore the content and I’d be perfectly content with that. This isn’t the first time I’ve been pissed off over removed content. I hated it when Streets of Rage 3 was censored, and I was pissed off when Yakuza 3 had it’s content removed. I have zero respect for anybody that condones or advocates censorship.

    • Ruben Myrhagen

      the point is.. they’re not giving us the full game we paid full price for! if you support that then you’re a fucking retard! who the fuck don’t want what they paid for ??? you saying this is “no objectification” means you are the one looking at it like that! you’re the one that’s sexist it seems! we just wanted the full fucking game but apparantly that’s a bad thing!

  • Wolfe

    Nintendo of America has always seemed dismissive and angry about their own audience. I’m glad I stopped being a part of that audience.

    • azariosays

      I’m glad you’re here Wolfe, thanks for reading.

    • Fighunter

      The PR person they have assigned to this (some Alison person) is so insanely dismissive about the release, on top of thinking they somehow enhanced it, it’s absolutely gross.

    • Wolfe

      I hope he enjoys the declining sales for future Nintendo products as the market continues to move away from their particular brand of overseeing.

  • PanurgeJr

    You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but not to ignore the fact that Nintendo of America is a business that wishes to maximize revenue, nor to make assumptions about their behavior which consideration of this fundamental fact proves to be false.

    • Wolfe

      Given their financial downturn with the release of the Wii U, they’re doing a bad job of being a business.

    • PanurgeJr

      That may be, but being bad at business is not the same as not acting like one in the first place, which is what predicates this article and a lot of the comments here.

    • Wolfe

      I’d say ‘Opinion Piece’ is what predicates the article. And the comments. Yours included.

    • PanurgeJr

      The nature of opinion ends where fact begins; disregard fact and it is no longer opinion, nor entitled to be considered as such.

    • Wolfe

      Then it must further alarm you that there are no facts in your favor. Nintendo removed content. Opted for a memory-consuming release in lieu of a limited physical release. A move that will require memory expansion for most users, who don’t even have many more games to look forward to, yet are required to drop more cash to play a single third party title.

      There’s nothing here to sympathize with.

    • PanurgeJr

      Those facts which you claim are not in my favor literally have nothing to do with the point I’ve been making. Which makes your argument yet another example of manufactured outrage. That doesn’t alarm me, but it does generate pity in me towards the unnecessarily angry.

    • Wolfe

      You don’t have a point.
      You have an opinion. Just like us.
      Is it that hard to comprehend that your words aren’t factual just by virtue of being spoken? Are you that vain?

    • PanurgeJr

      Please start responding to what I’ve said, not what you want me to have said so your confusion has an outlet.

    • Wolfe

      What you said is that opinions are ‘manufactured outrage’. Which is utter nonsense. Under such qualifications your OPINION, and it is just that, is every bit as much ‘manufactured outrage’.

      Better quiet that mouth lest you fill the comments section with more of that outrage!

    • PanurgeJr

      If you’re not going to respond to what I’ve actually said, just say no. No need to type any more than that.

    • Wolfe

      “Deflector shields to full power!”

      “It’s no good Captain! We cannot make him acknowledge what he’s said!”

    • PanurgeJr

      No, I won’t acknowledge what you think I’ve said. Vast difference.

    • Budgiecat

      you dont half ass moves in business if you want to expect good results

    • JoeSislack

      “Maximize revenue.”

      Okay so what part of pissing off the already niche fanbase of this series with cut content and digital only maximizes revenue?

      Oh wait, I am sure it is to appeal to a wider audience that doesn’t exist right? This is the same b.s. that was fed to us with DmC, and guess what, that game tanked in sales compared to the others because longtime fans didn’t buy it and neither did the supposed wider audience.

    • PanurgeJr

      A physical copy has a lower profit margin. Pissing off the fanbase, as you call it, would be revenue maximizing if the increased sales of physical compared to digital would be insufficient to overcome that lower margin.

  • Suikoversum

    “Nintendo Has Personally Killed the Fatal Frame Series For the West”, but what the author means “… for America”. Anyway…

    I’m not saying one should be grateful for Nintendo to bring the game to the West at all. We even have dual-audio, which I think is great (and here in Europe, the game-text is even translated in several languages). But this is a real niche title which even fails to sell well in Japan. I know it’s a bad situation and NoA has shown in the past that they are still very conservative (which in turn sometimes also affects NoE), but it’s not as bad as you make it. Especially the bonus costumes, really?

    I’m prety confident that without Nintendo, this game wouldn’t make it to the West at all.

  • PanurgeJr

    One question: how many people actually called Nintendo of America during the Operation Zero campaign? Do you have those numbers? Nintendo of America does, and they have a better idea if fans have actually erupted with support than the author of this article.

    • azariosays

      in an intreview Reggie has said that polls and fan calls do little when considering games. As many of us called, or wrote it, or at tweeted them, they will never budge. They even discredit us for xenoblade, whereas xseed celebrates this site for the last story and pandoras tower.

    • PanurgeJr

      Businesses act upon anything that predicts sales numbers reasonably well. If Nintendo of America doesn’t act upon polls and fan calls, then they don’t reflect what sales will be, which is exactly the point Reggie was making in that interview. Also, this is now the second time you’ve claimed that “many of us” were asking for a game. What are the numbers? And what do they actually reflect? Your claims are meaningless until you can provide the basis they require.

    • Wolfe

      Where are your numbers? Unless you can produce any hard data to demonstrate that there is no wider call for this title, you’re just as guilty as talking out of your ass.

    • PanurgeJr

      I’ve made no such claim. The author of this article has.

    • Wolfe

      You want his numbers, I want yours. If you’re going to level the charge that he’s got no statistical basis for his opinion, I’m going to hold you to the same qualifications.

      Your numbers, sir.

    • PanurgeJr

      I’ll give you some numbers. About 10,000,000 Wii U’s sold. About 10 people on this thread. The way Nintendo of America is handling this game has riled up .0001% of their audience.

    • azariosays

      article has been up for an hour here’s our unique IP count
      Nintendo Has Personally Killed the Fatal Frame Series For the West 711 views | 66 comments | by Azario Lopez

      and growing by the minute.

    • azariosays

      they loudest commenters will be the ones that disagree. you should understand the internet a little better.

    • PanurgeJr

      I understand the Internet perfectly well. I understand that the vocal minority reflects only its own opinion and not everyone’s. I understand that niche gaming sites are precisely that, and that their fan campaigns don’t reflect the mass market. Perhaps if you understood business better you wouldn’t be so upset that Nintendo of America might just be acting like one.

    • Wolfe

      So your technical analysis is based on the comments section from an obscure niche gaming site that was created to promote obscure, niche games.

      Bravo sir.

    • PanurgeJr

      I’d say well done missing my point but you’ve already demonstrated a profound ability to do so.

    • Wolfe

      Your “point”, since you insist on claiming to have one, is to belittle the author and his opinion, and rattle on about some professed business insight that allows you to see this as a good business move.

      It’s not. And you’re disingenuous, sir.

      And as I’m tired of treating with a liar, I bid you good day.

    • PanurgeJr

      I’d take umbrage at being called a liar but you clearly don’t know what I’m saying, so I suppose you honestly believe I’m lying.

    • Wolfe

      You can take all the umbrage you want. Don’t lie and you won’t be called a liar. But I’m letting myself be pulled back into circular arguments with a demonstrated liar, and that’s a mistake. So once again, I bid you good day, liar.

    • PanurgeJr

      I know you are but what am I?

    • azariosays

      it’s strange because we’ve been helping operation zero and for any type of “numbers” or updated campaign information, well it will have to all go through them. all i can say is that the messages and tweets from fans have been very high.

    • Wolfe

      Just like they had the same numbers to indicate no interest in Xenoblade, yes?

    • Aiddon

      That is the problem; Fatal Frame has always been a niche series in the west, so it’s doubtful that there would be enough people to sway Nintendo. Everyone likes to think they’re more widespread than they are.

  • Raymond

    Well to put my two cents in here, I don’t really mine downloading game of the e-shop. I mean I have so many games downloaded on my ps3, xbox, 3ds that it not even matter anymore to me. It is really annoying we won’t get all of the stuff they are getting in Europe but at least we are getting the game. Yea I know about how big the game is but that won’t kill me. I’m still going to get the game, I won’t like it but I’m still getting it.

  • Klagmar

    I don’t have any stake in this debate because I know nothing of the series, but I’m a bit confused about what the outrage is.

    The way I see it is a niche title that will probably not sell very well managed to get a release overseas, and the only real sacrifice for that to happen was NA won’t be getting a physical release. I vastly prefer physical releases over digital ones, but if this is what it takes to get a game fans have been clamoring for it’s better than nothing at all.

    Again, I don’t really have any information beyond what’s presented in this article, but it sounds to me like we should be celebrated NOA for getting fans the game they wanted at all, not condemning them. As an analogue, when Dual Destinies was announced as digital-only, I was just glad Capcom hadn’t abandoned us, and I’m sure I’d feel the same way if that ever happened with The Great Ace Attorney.

    • Fighunter

      It’s a 20GB game. 16GB for the game, 4GB extra space.
      Most WiiUs are 32GBs tops. To say it’s an inconvenient download is an understatement.

    • Klagmar

      I didn’t realize that. That sounds like the real problem to me, but the article barely mentions it!

    • Fighunter

      Even worse, base WiiU models only came in 8GB models! Having to play off external media (or worse, buying some just to play this) is pretty annoying to do, not to mention possibly damaging if you mess up the transfer in any way.

  • I will point out that any western version of this game got censored period. Only Japanese version has the bikini outfits. Nintendo literally took an M rated game and tried to make it kid friendly.

    • azariosays

      thanks for clarifying that for us, it was strange getting several reports saying different things.

    • You are welcome and like I’ve said on twitter, this is one nail away to sealing away the coffin for good. Nintendo better not f’ing destroy XenobladeX because that is it for me with Nintendo. It literally has been difficult to be a fan of theirs in recent years.

    • azariosays

      there was news of a panel where the video got cut off during qa where a fan asked if it was to be censored and they said no. no official word on this, but it’s hope?

  • Mooseman

    Given how this turned out, I’m not looking forward to how they screw up the release of Xenoblade X…

    • azariosays

      let’s hope for the best my friend.

  • Jeroen Keers

    How long does this meme have to go on? Okay, Nintendo has censored some aspects of the game and it’s too bad the game will only release digitally, but the series itself remains an amazing gameseries and isn’t ruined per se.

  • Take some childish Animal Crossing x Mario Party x Amiibo instead. As a Nintendo fan you have to love that. Facepalm to NoA.

  • Bobbbbby5

    No, what “killed” the game are the so-called “fans” that will refuse to buy the game (despite being 99.9% identical to the original release) because it isn’t exactly how they want it.

    • Wolfe

      Or because they don’t want to buy a memory expansion in order to play a single title.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      $10. And then you have a flash drive for general use.

    • Wolfe

      $10 dollars extra per physical copy. Could easily cover costs for manufacturing a limited hard copy run in a minimalist case like what we got with Xenoblade.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      For what? Unless they sold the hard copies only from their own website, they’d still make less than on the eshop on each copy. Even then, there’s just not much potential for profit.

      Even with its limited run and long delay, Xenoblade Chronicles sold many more copies in the US than every Fatal Frame combined.

    • Wolfe

      Sure thing Mr. Nintendo PR Person.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Not much of a rebuttal. Having trouble denying facts?

    • Wolfe

      I’ll end it on this note. You Nintendo folks are the cucks of the gaming world. You watch every other platform having a grand fucking time, look down at your Wii and say, “At least I can enjoy this.”

      Enjoy.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Actually, I look at the PS4 and Xbox One, and find them severely lacking. Almost everything they have is available elsewhere, and almost nothing is must-have. Almost all of their best games are remakes/ports. I much prefer the Wii U for its unique, exclusive, and high quality library.

      And despite your apparent belief that I’m a Nintendo-only fanboy, I actually own and have enjoyed every Playstation up to the PS4 (not big on their handhelds though). I don’t want a PS4, for various reasons, but I might get an Alienware Alpha to play some multiplats later on. Nintendo’s my favorite developer, but that doesn’t mean I only play their games.

    • Wolfe

      As I said. Please enjoy.

    • azariosays

      but where else will you play Disgaea 5? consume your gaming wherever you see fit, but don’t throw out fellow gamers wants for content and choice. let’s work together!

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I still have Disgaea 1 and 2 to play on my PS3… By the time I get through them, and 3, 4, and D2, chances are good I’ll have a Vita, and Disgaea 5 will be on it (seems to be a habit of NIS). Maybe it’ll even end up on Nintendo’s next handheld. Who knows?

      I’m not trying to throw anyone out. I’m just defending what I think is a reasonable decision about Fatal Frame being digital-only.

    • Budgiecat

      dont work with USB flash drive. Need a hard drive with power adaptor for optimal performance

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Flash drives work fine. My brother uses one in his Wii U. They aren’t as good as hard drives, but if you just want to play one game, they’re cheap.

    • Budgiecat

      I wouldnt risk it. Nintendo themselves said not to do it on their own site lol

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I think they also said not to use y-cables, but that’s what I use.

      As I understand it, and I’m not an expert, they recommend against flash drives because they can burn out from use, not because they present any danger to the system. You’d just lose data stored on them if they failed, and they’re more likely to fail than a hard drive.

    • Budgiecat

      yeah not worth the risk. I’ve had flash drives fail before so I’m aware of their faults :p

    • TalesOfBS

      Average joes don’t realize that flash drives are made for storing and carrying data, nothing else.

    • TalesOfBS

      Hours of intense read/write operations can overheat the chip and burn the cells faster.
      Also most flash drives out there have no power saving/management feature (usb mechanical hard drives are still years ahead on them on this) and no cache, so the constant high amp sucking could also fry the resistors on the motherboard, killing your usb ports.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Flash drives can generally handle thousands of read/write operations before having an issue.

      Unless you’re using a powered HDD, a hard drive will draw several times as much power as a flash drive, even while idle (which is why it needs a y cable). The hard drive will continuously draw that power while the system is on, just like a flash drive.

    • Aiddon

      Amen

  • Aiddon

    man, this whole article ignores historical context and facts like a champ. Guess what, the series has NEVER been big in the West whether it be America or Europe. The Limited Edition in Europe is going to be the only physical version of it in the Western world, so clearly even in Europe it’s niche at best and getting a digital version is better than nothing.

    As for the “censorship” (which is debatable), they got rid of two pointless bikinis. Whoop-dee-doo. That’s it? Seriously, something that doesn’t change the game in any meaningful way is worth whining about? They do nothing substantial. Everything else is intact; the story, the gameplay, the atmosphere, the environments, the characters, everything that truly matters is untouched. But of course skewed priorities take precedence in the gaming world, which is why trivial matters are brought up. And people wonder why gamers are thought of as the cultural equivalent of the boy who cried wolf.

    • azariosays

      neither did ar no surge the sells of that series is embarrassing, but it gets all physical games released even the vita port? ps. i love ar no surge

    • Aiddon

      Really? THAT’S the best retort you had? Now I just feel embarrassed for you.

    • azariosays

      my job isn’t to sit here are write responses to all the comments, there is just too many here. I feel bad for not giving your comment all the attention it deserved. I apologize

    • TalesOfBS

      Josh and Aiddon sheeping even here?
      ….

    • Aiddon

      Do the universe a favor and find new material. Because as it stands you are just boring at best and creepy at worst.

    • Destiny13777

      Seriously, people are acting like this got the Nis America treatment where practically every game they release is butchered to hell and back, but it’s all forgiven if it’s physical.

    • Josh

      Exactly. Who gives a shit, it’s not like anything important was removed. Also, the two replacements look even better.

  • ffboi7

    It sucks it really does, but I wasn’t expecting much from Nintendo for Fatal Frame V. As soon as they announced it I was excited, but the fact that after the initial announcement and they remained dead silent about the game I knew something wasn’t right with the release. When they announced it was digital only I was disappointed again in Nintendo. When I talk to others about this they say “Hey at least it’s being released right? Be happy” true I could be happy that after missing out on the previous 2 games (FFIV and FF2 Remake) it’s finally making it’s way back to the States. I am happy for that fact, but the way they are handling this game is no way to handle it at all. They set this game up to fail from the start. They didn’t do any work on advertising at all on their website, social media or on the console itself for the eshop. They didn’t mention the game at E3 despite it being the biggest gaming convention in the US.

  • Remixx

    I’m just happy it’s being released at all. I swear people in the gaming community are never happy and there is always something to complain about it would seem. The costumes argument just really irks me, it’s such a minor part of the game and you have people spamming nintendo with “I’ll NEVER buy a nintendo game again ever, I’m not buying Fatal Frame!!” Well, if you wan’t Fatal Frame to die in the west then keep going that way, Nintendo don’t give a shit they only care about the sales. I’m at the point now where I just don’t care, I will be playing my game come release.

  • Dan The Wet Man

    Don’t think they killed the series, but yes, a couple things drive me crazy.

    1. Censorship of any kind is wrong, no matter how “needless” the censored content might be. It is rated the equivalent of M in Europe and nothing was censored there. Leave the content in as it will most likely not change the rating. If the Witcher 3 can have literal sex in it and still be rated M, I think we can have a couple sexually arousing bathing suits.

    2. No Physical release is definitely a negative, I was pretty angry about Senran Kagura Burst not getting a physical release as well, but luckily X-Seed were the localizers, so almost nothing was changed.

    All in all I probably won’t download this game. The only way I will buy it is if Nintendo makes their consoles region free, I’ll import it from Europe.

  • blackice85

    I don’t even really care about the swimsuits themselves (likely wouldn’t use them much), I just find it insulting that they’re making moral choices for their customers. Let us decide if we want mature content or not. Afraid those poor kids might see some tits? Use an age gate or something. But they should stop treating everybody like children.

  • Fooey

    The removal of the costumes (as nice as they are) don’t really make or break the game for me personally. It sucks, though.

    It’s strange because I remember playing other JRPGs with alternate revealing swimsuit costumes (for both guys and girls) but they all had Teen ratings I think.

    However, I do agree on the horrible digital only decision. I’m planning on importing the EU version, and hopefully NX is backwards compatible and not region locked so I can play it (they must have learned their lesson with the Wii U).

  • Travis Touchdown

    No one cares. Grow up, it’s not a big deal.

    Besides, the new costumes are better anyway.

    • JoeSislack

      “No one cares!”

      “Grow up!”

      “The new stuff is better!”

      The words of shitposter ladies and gents.

    • Travis Touchdown

      No, simply the words of someone who was actually excited for the game.

    • Titangamecube

      I like the hyperbolic title that the article gives. I mean its like if the games in the series are a million sellers….oh wait they aren’t (As a whole, the series hasn’t even broken a million copies).

    • alex9234

      “I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.”
      -Bill Cosby

    • Wolfe

      Quoting a man who drugged and raped over 30 women doesn’t really help whatever point you were hoping to make here.

    • alex9234

      Um…I…how do I respond to something this stupid?

      You really shouldn’t comment on things that you don’t understand.

      Who gives a fuck if it’s a Cosby quote? What? Is it illegal? Am I committing such a terrible crime, that I have to be sentenced to death to atone for my sins? Hey, I’m just excercising my 1st amendment rights here, you communist. Besides, even if it is Cosby, he does make a good point. I’m aware of what he’s done, but you’re taking this WAY off topic here, buddy. Who cares. Just like Ivan Drago from Rocky IV said, “If he dies, he dies…”

      The point I’m making here with this quote is this: NEVER listen to your fans. They simply don’t know what they want.

      “We want Metroid! No, not that Metroid…”

      “We want Fatal Frame! No, not that Fatal Frame…”

      “We want something new! No, not that something new…”

      You don’t listen to fans who constantly complain about everything, regardless of what you actually say. Nintendo is well aware of this, and knows that nothing gamers complain about on here impacts their bottom line at all. And don’t even play that “Nintendo is greedy” card. Sony and Microsoft make them look like Mother Teresa by comparison.
      Just how hard is it for you people to understand this simple concept?

    • Wolfe

      “You really shouldn’t comment on things you don’t understand.”
      Take your own advice kid.

    • alex9234

      Oh, I see how it is now…Same to you.

    • Titangamecube

      You can’t help stupid man.

    • alex9234

      Well, as you know,
      “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.”
      -George Orwell

    • Titangamecube

      I think I found a way for us to communicate.

    • TalesOfBS

      Move to china or north korea then since pure censorship brings the truth. Go ahead.

    • alex9234

      Uh, what Nintendo’s doing is not censorship. You have no idea of what censorship really is, and I recommend that you move to China or North Korea to find out instead. No thank you.



      *cough*

    • TalesOfBS

      Look at the upvotes, always the same sheeps.

      You sheeps are so used to censorship that you are already getting used to it.

    • alex9234

      It’s not censorship. You obviously have NO idea of what censorship really is. I really hope you do find out one day, you unwashed, wannabe activist prick. Grow up.

    • TalesOfBS

      Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

      Governments, private organizations and individuals may engage in censorship.

      Sorry, but most of us know how to read and do not like to get f. in the b. every day by a huge corporation.

      Defend them a bit more and maybe you will get 10% off of the next Mario DLC.

    • alex9234

      Yay! You found out what censorship is! Good for you. Thanks for proving my point further. And don’t play that Nintendo is greedy card. Sony and Microsoft make them look like Mother Teresa by comparison. If Nintendo didn’t do what they did, the game would have gotten an AO rating. Now, how hard is it for YOU to understand THAT simple concept? Grow up.

      Oh, and are you or anyone in your family involved in politics or business? No reason in asking. It’s just a simple question.



      *cough*

    • TalesOfBS

      What is your point? you can’t read? I have already noticed that.

      Also nice try resorting to serious personal insults. Thanks for showing me how your sheep brain can’t keep up with an discussion.

    • alex9234

      You think they give out AO ratings for gore? What you’re not seeing here is the bigger picture.

      “Also nice try resorting to serious personal attacks.” – Calling you a pedophile for screaming “censorship” over 2 revealing costumes on a 14-year old girl being removed from the game isn’t an insult, it’s the truth. It also tells me that you weren’t going to get this game in the first place – you were just looking for something to complain about. I get it dude, you hate Nintendo.

      “Thanks for showing me how your sheep brain can’t keep up with an discussion.” – No, If anyone’s a sheep here, it’s you, and all the other hoards of gamers who support actual bad business practices and complain over trivial things such as this when there are REAL problems in the industry.

      You can’t just stick your head in the sand and pretend that everything is fine with gaming while Sony is on the verge of bankruptcy, Microsoft is considering killing off the Xbox division altogether, and big name 3rd parties, like Capcom and Square Enix, have been reporting SERIOUS financial issues. Yet I can tell that that’s exactly what you’re doing. Maybe you just want to hate on Nintendo because you’re so scared over the fact that the rest of the is falling apart, and you can’t help it but just attack Nintendo.

    • MrJohnson90

      I guess we sheep are just gonna keep on sheeping 😉
      http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052012/1337187150_sheep_rams_fisherman.gif

    • TalesOfBS

      “Calling you a pedophile for screaming “censorship” over 2 revealing
      costumes on a 14-year old girl being removed from the game isn’t an
      insult, it’s the truth.”

      Truth? More like your sheep assumptions. I have another assumption for you: I think that YOU are a pedophile because it seems that you are pretty afraid of getting aroused over a 17y digital girl in a bikini so you would rather not have the risk of seeing it.

    • alex9234

      Yeah, I’m the pedo, eh? Look who’s talking dude. And you think I have “upvote clones” too? Wow…

      Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

      You really take the cake for this one.

      I honestly have no response for something so…so…so…so…so…so…so…stupid.

      Please do me a favor: Never become a detective.

    • TalesOfBS

      What an easy way to run away, pretend that you are offended when people apply to you your own logic.

      See how assumptions are bad?

    • alex9234

      Um…I…how do I respond to something this stupid?
      Brah, you lost the argument 7 days ago. Why you want to keep on going after me for this, I’ll never know. You compared the “censorship” of costumes on an underaged girl, which is debatable at best and stupid at worst, to the shit going on in China and North Korea. Do you have any idea of what censorship TRULY IS? Do you even think about what you say before posting? Are you really THAT stupid?
      Dude…get some help.

    • alex9234

      Oh, and do you happen to wish that you could live in an alternate reality where Sega won the 16-bit console war? No reason is asking. It’s just a simple question.



      *cough*

    • Josh

      Lol, getting salty over bikinis. And I’m the sheep.
      Lol ooooooo-k.

    • alex9234

      I swear, it looks like these gamers wish that they could live in an alternate reality where Sega won the 16-bit console war.

    • Titangamecube

      >Gamers
      Define gamers for me because all I see is a bunch of hipsters trying to be gamers but failing so hard, even Encyclopedia Dramatica refuses to make a joke about them.

    • NGX159

      Hey Titan, it’s NGX159, remember me from PlayerEssence? I use to be a regular there………

    • Titangamecube

      Yep I do. Whats going on over there?

    • NGX159

      Idk I havent been back since June when I quietly left and I figured I come and see how things been because you’ve been a great contributor there. I moved on to two Google + communities and followers and friends where its MUCH more calmer

    • Titangamecube

      Interesting, mind if I joined?

    • NGX159

      Not at all. Search for “KhAnime” no quotations on Google + and Youtube, thats me

    • Titangamecube

      Seems the site is now “PlayStation does nothing wrong” which is sad. I mean Nintendo is not perfect but there’s a thin line between criticism and “making shit up” to make a point.

    • NGX159

      Thats true. You know what happened, E3 2015 was subpar and half the Nintendo community and people has gone insane ever since. 2008 is still the worse though.

    • Titangamecube

      Im surprised the fanbase didn’t split there tbh with you. I think people finally showed their true colors and no longer are the loyal fans. But they think we’re the shills even though most of us have criticized Nintendo in the past.

    • TimG57867

      Hey NGX. It’s me TimG57867. Not sure if you still use disqus, but I want you know to that we’ve created a disqus channel named “Video Game Facts” to replace the decrepit mess that is now Playeressence. Feel free to join if you want.

    • Josh

      Hate to interject, but that site has turned into shit. Also hi KH I like your casts!

    • Titangamecube

      As I feared. The more and more yes men you have, the more blind you are to your surroundings. Common sense is lost and is replaced with redundancy and stupidity.

    • Josh

      True, sadly…
      You looking forward to the new Mario tennis? I need more content, myself.
      Just figure I’d change the subject.

    • Titangamecube

      For sure. I always loved the Mario Tennis Series. Gamecube being the best one in the series in my opinion.

    • Josh

      Cool, dude. I want to want it, but I’m waiting to see 8f there’s more content.

    • Josh

      If*

    • Marsega

      I also like the Mario Tennis series. They were very fun.

    • alex9234

      It unfortunately has. Since E3 the comment sections and articles have been filled with hyperbole and misinformation. The site owner and several other users also have developed an ego and an air of arrogance since E3 – a pity because it used to be a very friendly site with pretty much all of it’s users coming off as well informed and respectful. I miss Ricard, Anti, ThorTempest, gaugheyad, rubix, etc.

    • Josh

      Yeah…
      As a change of subject, you looking forward to Mario Tennis U?

    • alex9234

      I don’t really focus on the Mario Sports games very much tbh. I’m excited for #FE and Xenoblade the most.

    • Josh

      Ah. I’m looking forward to those as well. Too bad FE is being shat on so much.

    • alex9234

      Well, that’s hipsters for ya.

    • Josh

      I guess. What the hell’s it matter if it looks different? We all know it’ll at least be good.

    • TimG57867

      I feel your pain guys. I lurk from time to time and MIGHT post on article which has little chance of idiots responding to me, but in all realness, that site is pretty much dead to me. You know, when I first started using the Internet regularly about 3 years ago, I always wondered what it was like for more experienced people as they watched communities develop over time and I wound find out what often happens the hard way: the community starts of really small, but peaceful. Activity increases as it becomes more popular. Disagreement and quarreling becomes more frequent but things still hold together relatively well. Then one freak event happens and everything goes down the drain. Honestly, the writing was on the wall when Francis switched to disqus. Intensedebates isn’t flexible but because of that, it made it less attractive for trolls and cynics. Once Francis made the switch and got rid of the point system, all hell broke loose. I mean the fact that Playeressence was a one of the only decent multi-platform sites out AND didn’t use disqus couldn’t have been a coincidence and I unfortunately got proven right. Sux really. That was the last gaming site I felt comfortable being part of the community. Now that’s gone too. Just about every other comment section there is nothing but stupidity, cynicism, off topic banter, or a combination. I’ve pretty much given up on being part of a general gaming community and just stick to commenting in places and videos that are almost entirely focused on the gameplay. Trying to talk about Nintendo in general these days in most places leads to nothing stress.

      Anyways, nice to see you all doing well.

    • Rob Roy

      Hello! has been deleted your YouTube channel?!…
      It’s been a long time since you’ve watched in site…
      here you see something funny… 😉
      “Cute Robotic Animals NX” >>> http://playeressence.com/pe-fancast-3-wjturner-xenoblade-nintendo-nx-final-fantasy-qa-more/

    • TalesOfBS

      “You really shouldn’t comment on things that you don’t understand.”

      Clearly you can right? Maybe it is time to go enjoy your children games and wonder why everyone hates Nintendo nowadays.

    • alex9234

      Maybe it is time to go enjoy your children games and wonder why everyone hates Nintendo nowadays.” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBsnGZ64VJI

      -http://www.consumeraffairs.com/home_electronics/sony-playstation-3.html

      -http://www.consumeraffairs.com/home_electronics/xbox.html

      -http://www.wired.com/2013/02/sony-ps3-promises/

      Oh, I’m sorry, I couldn’t quite catch what you said. Could you say that last part out loud again?



      *cough*

    • Aiddon

      Amen

  • Dai10zin

    Personally, I’d be embarrassed to be caught playing this with the lingerie costumes. Though I understand the rant to some extent.
    Things like this or removing the original dialogue (a worse travesty) are annoying.

  • Budgiecat

    Would it have killed them to offer a limited edition physical run?

    Holy crap they can make a physical version for Devil’s Turd, which had many rumors of almost being canceled, but they can’t with this?

    I’m amazed Spirit Camera even got a physical release for 3DS (I guess it HAD to because of the book that came with it).

    But yeah…..Nintendo of America killed Fatal Frame series when they didnt bring over IV or II so this is just par for the course. They finally acknowledged its existence but of course half assed it to the point of probably the majority of Wii U American gamers saying why bother once they see a whopping 16b download onto their 11gb and 32gb Wii U’s…..smh

  • Rafael Bueno

    I Hate NoA and Reggie…
    Next Time he say, how about this instead
    i’ll will give up and buy a PS4

  • Fighunter

    To all the people arguing that digital is ok because this is a niche game: reminder that Devil’s Third got a physical release and this didn’t.

    • Budgiecat

      but shooters cant be niche didn’t you read the Dudebro’s Almanac

  • Zizal

    This is nothing new to NOA. They want to kill anything Japanese that
    isn’t from main Nintendo. They tried to kill Xenoblade , The Last Story,
    Pandora’s Tower. They didn’t localize a lot of games like captain
    rainbow , disaster day of crisis (they want to kill Monolith Soft), zangeki no reginleiv. They successfully killed Cing. They fuck every localization like they did with Fire Emblem changing entire dialogues and character personalities and censoring games.

    • Budgiecat

      also Night of Sacrifice, another horror game

    • TrueWiiMaster

      They do get better sales…

      I would love to see Captain Rainbow get localized though. Also Giftpia and the true Chibi Robo sequel.

  • An Tran

    So very unfortunate that Nintendo owns so much of the series. Used to think it was awesome because Nintendo would another dark and mature series to add to their varied repertoire, but now they’re finding as many ways as possible to screw it over. Fire Emblem has already been destroyed and turned into a kid’s game with Awakening and Fates, and now they’re doing the same to Metroid.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Nintendo always owned Fire Emblem. And what makes Awakening a “kid’s/casual game”? I thought the game was deeper and darker than The Sacred Stones (the only other FE I’ve played). Also, did you play Fates in Japanese, or are you just assuming you won’t like it because you didn’t like Awakening?

      And really, what about removing the lingerie costume from Fatal Frame “lessens the darkness”? If anything, the costume itself lessened the dark atmosphere by being almost comically out of place.

  • Truther

    How do we teach them a lesson?

    • Budgiecat

      C4

    • azariosays

      yes i’m laughing, but we should throw so other ideas on the table

  • Anon_Amous

    Yep… more Western Nintendo shenanigans. I’ll have to get a Japanese NX if it’s region locked. Here’s to hoping it won’t be.

    • Travis Touchdown

      NX isn’t a home console.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      It might be a home console and a handheld.

    • Travis Touchdown

      I doubt that, honestly, considering those rumors have been floating around for years.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Yeah, but Nintendo did recently put their handheld and console divisions together, and modern technology makes it more possible than ever.

    • Anon_Amous

      We don’t actually know but that may end up being true. Let’s wait and find out!

  • TrueWiiMaster

    This is ridiculous. First of all, in order to kill something, it has to be alive. Even the best Fatal Frame sales numbers for the US are so low they make F-Zero GX look like a big seller by comparison. The last time a Fatal Frame came out in America, it didn’t even manage 50k… on the PS2, which had around 10x the number of system owners as the Wii U. Despite the incredibly low sales potential, Nintendo is still releasing the game in America, and fans are mad because they can’t put the main character in lingerie or put a case on their shelf. You guys should be glad this game even exists, not to mention that it’s being localized. I’d be ecstatic if Nintendo made a new entry in a unpopular franchise I loved, and decided to port it over, even if it was eshop-only. And second, despite the writer’s quickness to attack Nintendo for daring to release a game he wanted in a way he doesn’t prefer, would this game even exist without Nintendo? Or does it, like Bayonetta 2, owe its whole existence to Nintendo for publishing it? If Nintendo really is responsible for this game being made, they have revived the franchise, not killed it. It might be on life support, but that’s kind of always been true of Fatal Frame in America.

    • TalesOfBS

      If you are going to do something wrong, then just don’t do it.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      You’d prefer no localization to a slightly altered localization?

  • kingofe3

    The bikini costumes aren’t in the Europe version as well.

  • Krysanthia

    I own the deluxe model, a handful of eshop indie/retro games and I own almost the entire Wii U catalog of physical Nintendo games.
    I had to go out of my way to pay for a external hard drive just for this game, it costed me an extra 70$.

    I should be glad we are the only place in the world not getting a physical edition of the game, and I should be glad my art is being censored, because the other games sold like shit, I should consider myself lucky to be able to play this game, right?

    But I’m not glad and I don’t feel lucky.

    I grew up with Nintendo since I was five years old, but I’m not five anymore, yet Nintendo still treats me like I am.
    Instead of letting us choose not to use the costumes some might find offensive, they take that decision away from us, that shouldn’t make either side of this issue happy, its bad for gamers in general.

    Stop defending this crap, when Konami does it, #FucKonami, when Ubisoft does it its “Fuck Uplay, season passes and DLC” and when EA does it they get voted worst company in america.

    But when Nintendo does bullshit consumer practices, people defend them? This is not how a company grows out of its funk, this is coddling a bad kid, period.

    • Wolfe

      Thank you.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      You could have just gotten a $10 flash drive. And even for a hard drive, $70 is more than you needed to pay to download this game. It’s not hard to find a more-than-big-enough hard drive for $50.

    • Krysanthia

      No, flash drives are not recommended by Nintendo as suitable memory, and the hard drive was 59$, and another 10$ for the y cable.

      Not going with some shity cheap alternative that has a higher chance of failing and losing my data, and it doesn’t excuse them from having so little space on their biggest sku.

    • Chris Stollings

      Exactly, and why is it acceptable to have to pay MORE for a digital only release because they were so short sighted in their storage options?

      I have to pay the retail price for a digital title PLUS the cost of external storage simply to play the game, if any other company did that there would be riots in the streets, yet with Nintendo we should just be thankful we get anything at all? Terrible double standard

    • TrueWiiMaster

      It’s funny, because if they had added more internal storage, you’d have paid more then, but you’re mad because they gave you the option to buy as much as you want whenever you want it.

      And most other companies don’t release games from franchises known to have sub 50k sales.

    • Chris Stollings

      And SONY offers the same options for the PS3, I can upgrade HDD’s any time, however they give a decent amount of storage options to start with and have only increased them over time while not increasing the price.

      So I’m mad that Nintendo thought giving 32gb as its highest form while offering full retail price digital only titles that are more that their largest storage can handle with any other content (like buying any bundle pack Wii-U getting digital only copies of the pack in game like Wind Waker or New Super Mario) I’m mad that I spent the money on a console that prohibits me from enjoying its library of digital content without having to pay more. Any digital title that is multiplatform I have to avoid it on Wii-U unless I want to spend more money on external storage.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Yes, but Sony charges you more for the starting storage. If Nintendo had included more storage, the price of the system would have gone up. Instead, they left the choice entirely in your hands. You could stick with the included storage and save your money, as many people on this site apparently did, or spend money on more. It also gives you the option to use storage you have at home.

      Basically, you could have payed $350-400 for a 500GB Wii U at launch, or $300-350, and then another $50 on 500GB-1TB to add. Either way, you spend the same amount of money.

    • Chris Stollings

      I disagree, part of the cost difference of other consoles is also the hardware that is inside them, not just the storage, given that the Wii-U is a less powerful system it should not have cost the same as a PS4 simply to match its storage space, especially since a PS3 is a last gen console that even started off with a larger base storage size and only increased them with each new SKU without increasing the price.

      But in all reality you have your opinion that justifies the cost and I disagree, there really isn’t any argument you can show me that will change my mind, nor I yours so I will not try to continue the conversation as its obvious we will not see eye to eye.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      It would be $50 cheaper, actually (the $400 option I mentioned was the Deluxe bundle), and it has the Gamepad.

      The PS3 was incredibly expensive already, and Sony took losses to sell it even at that price. The reason prices didn’t go up as the storage increased after launch is because the price of making PS3’s and the general price of storage both went down as time passed.

    • Malakym

      …so what you’re saying is we should be okay with this because the cost came later on. Alright, then why couldn’t Nintendo have just sorted this out to begin with and put more storage on themselves so we wouldn’t have to research this shit? If I’m paying the extra now, wouldn’t it have made sense for them to just do that and make the cost higher? They’d have that extra 70 bucks or whatever that the HDD costed instead of the company making the HDD.

      Also, I can’t believe you’re actually saying ‘they gave you the option to buy as much as you want whenever you want’ as if that’s some sort of bonus for me. Like that’s some shit I should be grateful for. You know you can do that for the other two big consoles on the market as well right? You also know that they weren’t dumb enough to ship with less than double the space that this ONE GAME that we’re talking about takes up on its own? Cause remember – you don’t even get that whole 32GB on the internal memory for your own use.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      You knew how much storage the Wii U came with right? And I’m assuming you knew how much space games could take up? And it sounds like you knew you could add external storage. So what was there to research?

      They could have raised the price and added more storage, but the higher the price the fewer the sales.

      Actually, you can’t do that with either of the other current systems. If I want want either one, I have to pay for the included, 5400rpm 500GB HDD. If I then want to upgrade to a bigger/faster HDD, I have to buy it, in addition to having paid for the one that came with the system. In other words, I have to buy two. I prefer having the option to buy as much space as I want, if I want it. That’s why, with the PS3, I bought the 12GB version, saving $40-50, and then added a faster-than-standard 1TB hard drive for a little more than I saved.

    • nightsama

      Brands tested to be most compatible with the system. Maximum capacity supported. Viability of flash drives as opposed to standard ones. Y-cable as a viable alternative to a dedicated power supply. This is stuff that only more dedicated users of the other two consoles will likely ever have to think about. I could have sworn things were supposed to be simpler with this damn thing.

      I’m going to follow suit with that other guy up there and stop responding seeing as that other stuff you wrote is complete bollocks, you can keep apologizing and making excuses for a company I assume you owe nothing to. I should have my head examined for thinking I might have a good discussion about this with someone who has the damn system in their username.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      All of that stuff was, and is, on one page on Nintendo’s website. Pretty simple.

      I’m not apologizing, or making excuses. I’m defending a decision that saved me and many others money (I had an extra HDD at home), and explaining how it did so. Like I said, I did the same thing with the PS3. If given the option, it’s almost always better to buy your own hard drive than go with what they give you. Usually you can get a bigger, faster hard drive for about the same price they charge you for a smaller, mediocre one.

    • Travis Touchdown

      I was running out of room on my hard drive anyway. At the absolute worst, it was a minor inconvenience.

      If you’re buying enough games to fill up that much space, you can afford additional memory.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Technically, they recommend powered hard drives.

      The reason they don’t recommend a flash drive is because they can burn out over time and fail. Generally it takes thousands of re-writes to get to that point, and it won’t damage the system, just lose the data on the flash drive.

    • blackice85

      I agree completely, I’ve defended them on a lot of things in the past but it’s getting to be too much.

    • azariosays

      this!

    • Travis Touchdown

      So you don’t understand anything about the market, how much these games sell, and all of that. Got you.

    • Krysanthia

      Lol

  • Jose Coronado

    I’m a little upset about the cut content, and i do not believe adding new costumes make up for what you removed. I’ll still buy it when SMT x FE comes out but i’m going to be very annoyed with the fact that i’ll need to buy either more memory or the Wii U with more memory.
    P.s. no i do not want to pay for more memory, seriously 16gb memory is nothing and needing to buy memory for just 1 game is such BS.
    P.s.s. i’m only buying 3 games on the Wii U Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame 5, and SmtxFe

    • azariosays

      those are the 3 you’ll need, maybe throw Xenoblade in there 😉 Thanks for reading!

  • Josh S.

    Though I don’t care that much about the swimsuits, I think it’s dumb to sanitize one version of the game and not the other. More than anything though, I just want a physical release of this game. I hate having to spend a ton of money just for external memory to play the damned thing. This decision by Nintendo is going to delay me buying the game for as long as it takes for me to justify the expense to myself. Bad move on NOA’s part :/

  • Iyamtebist

    So many people playing the Nintendo is a business card to excuse anti consumer policies completely ignoring that their own decisions are AGAINST their own best interests in the first place. The excuse that “oh it’s a niche series derp derp” does not work when that has not stopped countless of other companies from putting out physical releases. Oh god forbid Nintendo has an emphasis on quality and customer satisfaction. It is not asking much to have them provide the customers with more options.

    And not to mention that the sales are going to drop without a physical release since some people simply don’t like buying full retail games digitally for full price when they take up the system’s entire memory, and it is even worse when said customers are treated like children because they can’t handle a Bikini costume in an M rated game. Or maybe it was removed just to appease SJWs who were never going to play the game in the first place.

    And of course, given that people are generally opposed to censorship and being treated like children, as well as having stuff removed from the original Japanese version and offering an inferior version as a localization instead of simply having the same as the Japanese version except in English. To top it off, one can’t even simply import the European version due to region locking on the Wii U.

    Yes fans of the Fatal Frame series will still buy it because they take what they can get, but this prevents newcomers to the series such as myself from wanting to get it. I likely would have got it if it had a physical release, the lack of one killed my motivation because of the space requirements for such a game and because i have a personal policy against buying download only games price the same as a full physical release. And hearing that they are censoring content only killed any remaining motivation to play it.

    As a result, a lot less people are going to be buying the game due to these factors, and as a result, Nintendo will claim it is because the series is not profitable as opposed to their own incompetence.

    • Raymond

      Calm down man. It’s not that damn serious.

    • SullenSamurai

      Clearly it is to him. If it isn’t to you, grand, but don’t think you have the right to tell others what is and isn’t “serious;” it’s subjective.

    • Raymond

      It’s not serious. Clearly to him and the 100 other are taking this like nintendo took a really big fat dildo with the game inside and shoved it up everyone’s ass. It’s not a big deal dude. People are taking this way too seriously.

    • SullenSamurai

      Do I have to explain the concept of the opinion? Do I seriously have to whip out The Dude quote and/or gif? Because I refuse.
      You think he and the others are taking this too seriously? Congratulations. I imagine he and everyone else of like mind doesn’t feel the same way. You’re not somehow more right by virtue of being you.

    • Iyamtebist

      To HER. I’m a girl.

    • SullenSamurai

      Gotcha. My mistake. Should have put “he/she,” but got lazy.

    • Iyamtebist

      What’s there to “calm down” about? I was never that angry to begin with. I simply find it stupid how so many Nintendo fanboys are quick to pull an excuse out of their ass to defend incompetent decisions towards their games. I’m not saying these things out of anger, I’m saying these things because it’s the truth.

    • Raymond

      Ok quit the whole nintendo fan boy stuff, It’s more like a video game argument. Anyway, after reading every comment like 3 times to understand what people are angry about ( yes I have a lot of time on my hands lol) I kinda narrowed it down to the one thing, the size of the game. I mean the stuff EU is getting is cool but not something to super nerd over its also limites release of the game(I think it’s the only physical version of the game. Please correct me if I’m wrong) so EU may have to put up with downloading the game as well, or borrow it from a friend. XD

      What I’m trying to say is, it may suck but when you love video games like especially is niche game you will play it. Don’t be so uptight. Just have fun…or not.

    • Iyamtebist

      If you aren’t a nintendo fanboy, then that only leaves the alternative of being an uptight holier than though snob who needs to go around telling people what they can and can’t be upset about because they think they are soooooo much smarter than everyone else, and to be frank, that is the vibe i’m getting from you. If you don’t get what people are upset about and aren’t upset, then good for you. People have stated what they are upset about, there is nothing to understand there, it is simply because you, and several other of the anti “being offended” crowd members, don’t think the reason given is good enough, and you want to lecture us about being upset about the way a company is handling their product.

      You seem to be under the impression that niche gamers simply need to just “take what they can get” and not criticize anything. And give the “it’s a niche game” argument a rest. The term “niche” is nothing but a meaningless buzzword used to refer to anything that’s not mainstream and is only used by people who don’t seem to understand that anything can sell well if properly marketed, and Fatal Frame 5 is not being properly marketed and is setting itself up for disaster. Hell just look at the way they handled their most recent trailer for the game. Them using the “Spoopy” meme for their most recent trailer, as if this game was being advertised to young kids instead of adults and as if it was some type of kiddy horror game. Them removing a Bikini costume because we can’t have fanservice in an M Rated game. All of that on top of the issue with it’s distribution. They are setting up the game to be a financial failure, which will ultimately lead to Nintendo claiming that it sold poorly because it was too niche instead of how they handled it, and thus won’t bring future installments out.

      Will the base game itself be likely? Probably, and yeah the people who were really hyped for it likely won’t care about any of these issues. The problem is that a game will need to get more than just those people to buy it for it to be successful, and thus more casual fans or people with only a passing interest will be turned off due to censorship and the lack of a physical release. And even if it is successful enough, people are worried about encouraging this type of product handling, and thus having them do the same to future titles.

    • Raymond

      *sigh* ok forget my other post. Let’s just brake down the things people are upset about. The 16g download size. This is the only one that I agree with because it the system size is too small and you may end up buying a hard drive to play the game. The next one is the censored part. Now think really hard, do you really think this is a game changer, something people who be so upset over that they just hate the game all together? I’m not telling people to shut up and play the game, but I’m saying the things we are getting mad at are not that upsetting. The whole costume thing…come on really?

    • Suikoversum

      I understand your points and agree for a bit, but I find this hilarious because this is exactly what European ustomers have been going through for years. America getting awesome LE, Europe getting a… download.

    • Travis Touchdown

      You were never going to buy the game anyway.

      You simply do not understand how poorly these games sell.

    • Iyamtebist

      Learn to read idiot. I have had some interest in the game beforehand, but the way Nintendo handled it killed most of that interest.

      Also survival horror games don’t sell? Tell that to The Evil Within which sold over a million copies in North AMerica alone. Or tell that to the Five Nights at Freddy’s series. And don’t even try and pile on some bullshit rhetoric about Fatal Frame being a “niche” series. Literally the only thing separating a niche game from a popular one is sales and marketing, and Nintendo does not seem to be handling Fatal Frame that well in terms of the latter.

    • Travis Touchdown

      So you’re not buying a game you know you’ll like because you think that the company involved doesn’t market it well enough. That might be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

      The fact that you compare FF to FNAF says a lot about you. Go back to Youtube… I’m sure you won’t want to have your hands on a controller when you’re looking at uncensored videos of this game.

    • Iyamtebist

      Hey jackass, maybe consider the fact that there are several other games on the market, and that some people aren’t made of money, so they can’t afford to buy every game they want, and as such, small things could keep people from choosing it over other games out there.

      Also, learn to read fuckhead. I never said it being marketed poorly was the reason i’m not gettinbg it. That was your shitty strawman version of my argument because you’re too stupid to refute the actual argument.

      And somehow me bringing up FNAF, a popular, recent, survival horror series and thus financially successful, to counter the moronic notion that survival horror games just don’t sell, speaks about my personality? I don’t even like FNAF, i brought it up because it being popular turns that retarded argument that horror games are niche to its knees.

    • Travis Touchdown

      FNAF’s appeal isn’t in the horror, which is why I was making fun of you.

      But no, the game is indeed niche, and Nintendo bringing it over at all was a huge step forward for them.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Survival horror games don’t sell well. At first glance, Evil Within appears to have sold pretty well, but in reality it only hit 1.3 million, across 5 platforms, in America. 1.3 million is a world away from Fatal Frame sales, but for a AAA multiplat published by a major publisher and headed by the most famous developer in horror games (whose previous games frequently sold over 1 million copies on 1 platform in America) it’s pretty mediocre.

      And Five Nights at Freddy’s isn’t even slightly comparable to Fatal Frame. Not only does it have hundreds of millions of people (iOS and Android owners) to sell to, it costs 95% less than a full-priced console game.

      Most niche games, no matter how much you market them, would never be popular (unless you have a low standard for popularity, like breaking 100k).

    • Iyamtebist

      Yeah because Fire Emblem Awakening’s niche status prevented it from being successful in the slightest despite Nintendo’s marketing. And maybe you could get the connection between FNAF and FF in that they are both horror titles, and that thus the claim that horror titles aren’t popular is complete crap. And in what world is selling over a million copies not successful to begin with? Or did it maybe not occur that Evil Within didn’t sell as well as the Resident Evil titles due to it being a new IP and not part of a huge franchise? That clearly proves that there are enough people who will buy survival horror titles if they are aware of its existence. And the game is being published by Nintendo, whom last I checked, counts as a major AAA publisher.

    • Travis Touchdown

      Fire Emblem Awakening made the jump from a niche series that traditionally was never a big deal to a huge success, due to a number of smart design changes to the formula. FF is not at that stage, and horror games are indeed hard to market. The Evil Within, as has been pointed out, was critically slammed and only sold about a million copies across five platforms.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      First, I said most, which doesn’t mean all. Second, Fire Emblem was never as niche as most niche games, Fatal Frame included. Its first release in America sold half a million copies, and every game since has sold over a quarter million. Even well-known niche games like Persona and Disgaea struggle to match the lower selling FE games. And third, there was more than just marketing behind Awakening’s success. Critically, it was the best in the series.

      Comparing a $3 (and sometimes free) horror app game to a $60 horror console game is like comparing McDonald’s to a nice restaurant. Just because millions of people spend a few bucks on a burger at McDonald’s doesn’t mean they’re going to go and spend $50+ on a nicer, bigger burger at a nice restaurant.

      Resident Evil 1 sold over 2 million copies on just the PS1 in just America, despite being a new IP by a then-unknown developer. And no, just breaking a million across 5 platforms is not impressive for a AAA game.

      Nintendo is, of course, a major publisher, but that doesn’t make Fatal Frame a major game. Nintendo publishes many sub-million sellers.

  • British_Otaku

    It is also worth mentioning T rated games which had similar or more skimpy costumes like Tekken Tag Tournament 2 or Senran Kagura Burst.

    I didn’t enjoy the jokes at the expense of waiting fanbases during that E3 (the world will end when they mention F-Zero >_>), but they did deliver on Starfox (still coming) and Earthbound (along with Beginning/Mother Zero) so I expect Mother 3 to be on the way. Perhaps even with Tomato supporting the project.

    It may be because I’m a Brit and my limited edition of this is still preordered (till I hear about something higher profile missing) but I don’t like the use of the word “west” when talking exclusively about America. I can see the franchise almost completely tanking in America, but Europe has had consistent localisations short of Fatal Frame 4.

  • Tino S

    Oh, I’ve come to hate Nintendo a great deal lately, this, their refusal to publish Metroid Zero Mission in North America but will in Japan and Europe, or the likelihood they’ll push both Zelda and Star Fox for Wii U onto the NX like it was Twilight Princess, and again how they shat on us with the Fatal Frame games, not releasing Fatal Frame 4 for Wii outside Japan, not giving us Crimson Butterfly on Wii but did for Europe and Australia, not doing anything else with the franchise and they have full rights to publish anything they want, they could give us a Fatal Frame anthology if they wanted; nope. Fuck them. They really did kill this series. Now they want us to buy their next system; hell fucking no.

    • Raymond

      It’s just a game….calm down goober.

    • SullenSamurai

      Serious question: Why are you here?

      Considering the site you’re on, treating games like a big deal is kinda requisite.

  • dunno

    I can only imagine how bad Xenoblade X, #FE, and FE Fates will be butchered.

  • Ixbran

    I have never seen so much salt in my life, its enough to provide every fast food service seasonings for their french fries for the next several years.

  • SullenSamurai

    I’m seeing an awful lot of censorship apologism, fan-service disdain, and general “it’s a game; it’s no big deal” sentiment being tossed around here. To all you who apply (I imagine you know who you are), I ask this: Why are you here? Seriously, why are you on a site that treats not only games in general as a big deal, but Japanese games specifically, games in which fan-service is staggeringly common?

    I get it, some of you you just want these games localized, regardless of the cost. But understand that the more OK you are with this sort of treatment, the more common it is likely to become. I can’t tell you you need to feel outraged, or even annoyed by this. I will tell you that you probably should, though.

    • Travis Touchdown

      I’ll tell you why: because the issue is being blown way out of proportion.

      Not only is the game itself coming entirely intact, we have been given perfectly reasonable alternatives, ones that I honestly prefer. NA is a market that really looks down on pointless fanservice, and it makes sense to dodge the controversy entirely.

    • Bianca Ann Saracino

      Your first sentence is unfortunately no longer true, a part of the story has been altered both in terms of outfits used and how it plays out. Considering what the scene is about (I wont spoil) it doesn’t very much alter what is supposed to happen.

    • Travis Touchdown

      I’ve seen it. It’s not that big of a deal. That kind of thing is easily changed, without losing the meaning of the original scene.

    • SullenSamurai

      Once again, one man’s “not that big of a deal” is another’s “huge ass deal.” And you said “entirely,” which implied that absolutely nothing was lost, which isn’t true. Hate to be the semantics police, but just saying.

    • Travis Touchdown

      Indeed, nothing of value to the game was lost. You still have unlockable costumes, after all.

    • The costumes are tacked on lame attempts make up for Nintendo’s censorship and they add nothing of value to the experience.

    • SullenSamurai

      The “costumes” are also almost certainly just ripped from Metroid: Other M and Hyrule Warriors. They’re not so much costumes as body swaps. So, yeah, something of value was lost: original assets were swapped for recycled ones.

  • DariusQ

    For me the biggest detractor was digital only, something I might have overlooked. But censoring the game just adds insult to injury and I will not support that. So fans are mature enough to handle Bayonetta but not Fatal Frame? So disappointing NOA.

  • JTShiro

    Good read and really shines a light on NoA’s dumb stances on certain content and genres (particularly first party non-Mario JRPGs and lesser known franchises) that they never give real shots to. To the Nintendo apologists why defend every business decision they make (for the record they make great games but imo tend to make terrible business decisions)? Why support censorship and digital only releases on a console that lacks adequate internal storage that will undoubtedly result in a hit in sales potentially preventing future games of it’s kind from coming west?

    • Travis Touchdown

      Because these aren’t issues worth boycotting the game over. Making the game digital only was a great way to get around having to put it on store shelves, which would have been disastrous for them.

    • JTShiro

      I never advocated boycotting it (I personally would think twice about buying it with the limited space Wii U has and the potential extra costs for an external HD in addition to supporting a censorship precedent that could become an issue down the line), but the decisions here are questionable at best. While I agree a wide release would end poorly, did they attempt to partner with Gamestop or other business for a limited release (like they did for Xenoblade which worked out pretty well by most accounts) or if they truly didn’t believe in the game commercially why not offer another company a shot to publish it or split the costs in addition to a digital release?

    • Travis Touchdown

      It is absolutely not questionable in the slightest: None of the issues put forward in this article are worth getting upset over.

      Yes, I did buy a memory expansion for my Wii U, but I was planning on doing so anyway. No, I don’t consider it anything more than a minor inconvenience, and I’m rather low income. And no, I absolutely don’t believe there is any real point in criticizing Nintendo for the way they’ve handled the game.

    • SullenSamurai

      Man, you really like the word “absolutely.” It must feel nice, thinking you’re “absolutely” right about everything.

  • evilmajikman

    I lost all interest in buying this game. The first nail in the coffin was it being digital only, and the last is censorship. I don’t condone censorship of ANY kind. I wanted what they got in the Japanese version, that’s why I kept telling them to localize it since the Wii-U isn’t region free, and we got a butchered digital only localization. I don’t even care about the Zelda/Metroid costumes. They have them in so many games now that the effect of having a Zelda/Metroid costume in a not-Zelda/Metroid game has completely worn off. Idgaf about a Zero Suit costume in Fatal Frame. Just give me a new Metroid game starring Samus goddamnit. Let Fatal Frame keep it’s skimpy outfits. I’d rather have that than non-Fatal Frame creations being stuffed down my throat.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Butchered=swapping two optional costumes?

  • PandaSama

    I still remember Nintendo presentation about their new console “The WiiU” (back then) calling for support of 3rd party companies to develop games for the their “new” updated Wii because then want back their “old grown up” audience… all was bullshit!!!
    Fanservice is a great hook of marketing in this kind of games where you have pretty girls as protagonist, so finding out today Fatal Frame:MBW is censored for America that just screwed me over the month, and I didn’t knew they are doing the same with Xenoblade Chronicles X that’s some garbage…. That’s why Nintendo will never grew up in the business, they marginalize themselves and their audiences… I’m definitely not buying the game in release date (as I was expecting before I find out about the censorship), I’ll wait maybe the next year when it has a drop price or a discount… not so eager anymore…

    • Travis Touchdown

      I doubt you were even planning on buying the game at all. Why would a mere cosmetic difference upset you that much?

  • Gerginaut

    I don’t know all that much about how the censorship happened, and this is pure hunch, but I get the feeling it might have been censored for Australia, because they are really strict about sexual violence. Once the change was made there, NoA might have just thought their costumes were cool, so they put them in our version as well.

    We’ll probably never know, but this coming to the eShop at least gives it a chance of me picking it up (I refuse to buy physical copies unless I’m completely desperate.)

  • kingofe3

    Confirmed that Europe took out the bikini entirely, even editing the cutscene it appears in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3U07cZ9-7Y

    • azariosays

      Omg

    • Travis Touchdown

      And you guys were blaming NOA for this. It was pretty blatantly done due to culture differences.

      It’s not censorship.

    • SullenSamurai

      When importing something born from another culture, changing it due to “cultural differences” (read: different moral norms) is absolutely censorship. Just because this game now has English subtitles and an English voice option doesn’t mean it’s suddenly American or British. It’s still Japanese in origin; you come in expecting cultural differences, and for many, I imagine that’s part of the appeal.

    • Travis Touchdown

      When those cultural differences invoke something considered taboo in another culture (In this case, sexualization of a child who explicitly does not appreciate that kind of attention) it absolutely should be adjusted better suit that market.

    • TalesOfBS

      Culture differences. Yeah, for the same reasons China Firewalled the whole country, culture differences.
      For the same reason North Korea does not allow their people to own computers (heck, they barely have access to electricity at their homes), culture differences. Lol.

      You sheeps disgusting, always finding excuses for such anti consumer and plain dumb decisions.

    • Travis Touchdown

      That’s the main problem I have with critics of Nintendo’s move: you associate nasty suprresion of ideas and thoughts with removing a couple of costumes. It’s not a fair comparison to make at all, and a big part of why I don’t think anyone complaining about this has thought through the issue.

      The game itself is relatively untouched to the point where all the ideas present in the original product are in the localized version.

    • TalesOfBS

      You are suppressing developers ideas. Censorship is censorship.

    • Titangamecube

      Did you just compare the censorship in China and NK to the changing of costumes in this game? That is one horrible fallacy if I ever saw one.
      And Nintendo is anti consumer? I mean do they charge you to fix their system like Sony does for its consumers? Do they charge for online like Microsoft and Sony does? no of course not you fucking twat. If anyone is sheep, it’s you and the millions of gamers who continue to support actual bad practices and get angry over trivial matters.

      And btw, grow up. All those people you mention, including me, have criticized Nintendo and this was over actual matters.

    • Josh

      Apparently I’m part of a defense force for not caring about digital bikinis. Twice as stupid considering I’ve only been on disqus for a month while everyone else has been here for years and the only wiiu game I’m looking forward to isn’t even 1st party.

      Never change, gamers. Never change.

    • TalesOfBS

      It is not just about the costumes you dumb f.
      Censorship is censorship no matter if it is a country wide censor or just costumes on a game.

      They are anti consumer on almost everything they do. Ranging from the shtty battery on the gamepad to even region lock and unproper account system that only generates hassle to the user.
      Lets not even start with the casual kid games with early xbox 360 graphics and still being charged $60 for.

    • Titangamecube

      Brah, you lost the argument six days ago. You compared the censorship of costumes, which is debatable at best and stupid at worst, to the censorship of China and NK. Are you fucking stupid? Do you know what the word means? I’m pretty sure you don’t.

      Oh god, and you don’t even know what anti-consumer is. A “bad” battery life? Was buying a new one that hard? Was plugging it into the damn wall hard? No, you’re just lazy as fuck. As for region locking, which is a bullshit argument, every company, especially ones outside the gaming industry, practices region locking. But it’s only bad when Nintendo does it. Double fucking standards. As for the account system…it’s only a hassle in the case of: theft, breaking down, or switching of consoles. But even then, all of these are solvable.

      That last point doesn’t even make sense and is just your opinion. But I’ll add my own. Why am being charged 30 bucks for a demo? Why am I being charged 60 for games that last only 5 hours and I get charged for 200 dollars for dlc? Thats anti consumer.

    • Josh

      Lol oooo-k

  • Splinter

    The way I see how Nintendo thinks:

    “We need to censor this game. Let’s not ruin the reputation that we fought so hard to establish. We’ve already done that with Fire Emblem and Bravely Default, so that would be an easy task too.”

    But the game is rated M…

    “We don’t care. What if an adult plays in a house which has kids too? They would associate our brand with perv stuff. Never! In fact, let’s make it digital-only, so we can have more control of who is actually buying. We can’t take the risk of kids buying a physical copy on the stores”.

    Well, restricting your game is not a wise choice.

    “We know what is best for our customers. And shut up!”

    • Travis Touchdown

      That’s not the case at all, and now that we know a little more about the game, it’s pretty clear why this was done.

      Namely, the fact that the costume appears in game on an under aged character.

  • sanguinex

    great article and I have to say that I agree with everything it says, the situation with Fatal Frame reflects all the problems that Nintendo is having with their console, why the series moved from the PS consoles to Nintendo in the first place???

    • azariosays

      Nintendo bought half the ip and then it was all downhill from there. Thank you for reading!

  • Pedro Rosas

    Ok they took out the bikini costumes, SO WHAT?

    Is there an actual reason outside fan service for the characters to have bikinis in the game? I assume not, it doesn’t messes with the core of them game and in fact KOEI should lay down the fan service, I mean its cool an everything but sometimes its not needed, this is one of those times and I’m glad its out it makes the game BETTER.

    • sanguinex

      you are missing the point of the article, is not only about the costumes, the lack of a physical release, the lack of spotlight in the E3, the lack of practically any kind of advertisement, this is why Third Parties don’t work with Nintendo anymore, everything that is not made in Nintendo is not gonna receive the kind of spotlight like their original IP receive, meaning bad sales, Fatal Frame is a series that at the least should have it’s own stand in the E3, it’s an exclusive title that is not Mario, not Zelda, not Metroid, and Nintendo need that kind of titles urgently if they want to compete with sony or Microsoft…

    • JA

      I agree with all of this, but I think the focus on the fanservice outfits was a terrible choice of support. It looks kind of gross and the business related things don’t feel like the focus when much of the article talks about removed skimpy outfits. The outfits should have been treated as as support (along with other things), instead of making up half of the images involved and being the easy thing to talk about.

    • Pedro Rosas

      Be fucking glad that we are getting it at least because we haven’t gotten any of them. You want a physical release? Then BUY THE GAME, if we show NOA that we care about the series here in America they’ll listen to us and not only they’ll give us a physical release but being the rest of the games here but if you decide not to buy it because “omg no bikinis no box” then you are screwing yourself up

    • TalesOfBS

      You know that doesn’t work. The more people buy digital and not care, the more NoA will think that they were right.
      Remember that Nintendo is full of old stubborn people.

    • Pedro Rosas

      The reason we are getting it digital only its because they believe we don’t care about the game so they don’t want to spend unecessary money on it. If we prove them we do care then we can ask for a physical release

    • nightsama

      The girls are gravure models – the outfits are actually some of what they wear during the game. So yes there is a point.

      Also it turns out it’s more than just taking out bonus costumes that only unlock after the game is beaten. There’s a scene during the actual story that has what the girl is wearing altered as well, completely losing the point of what is going on.

    • Travis Touchdown

      All they have to do is say that she didn’t like being a model. That’s it.

    • Malakym

      Sure, lets replace a scene that’s supposed to make you feel an emotion that isn’t titillation and just have her sum up her trauma with a simple sentence.
      Or even better, just have a black screen with the text on it and then just move on in the story. The saying is definitely ‘tell, don’t show’ right?

    • Travis Touchdown

      No, you misunderstand me. They will be able to show the same imagery and get the same point across without using the outfit. It’s not at all hard to do.

    • Aiddon

      no kidding; the problems with defending the bikinis is that they add NOTHING to the game. Seriously, there’s nothing they do in gameplay or narrative, so Nintendo just got rid of fluff when you get down to it. Everything else (everything that MATTERS) was untouched, so people getting their briefs in a twist is just pathetic.

    • Titangamecube

      Its basically the equivalent of changing Rice Balls to Sandwiches.

  • JA

    Crying over not being able to see a young teenage girl in her underwear is kind of weird don’t you think?

    I get not liking censorship or having content removed, but this is probably the WORST possible example to back that up.

    • Bianca Ann Saracino

      17 and 19 is “Young Teenager” now?

    • JA

      Alright my choice of word wasn’t correct there, but that still doesn’t change anything I said. 17 is still underage and 19 is still pretty young. Plus my main point this example being a bad one when it comes to protesting censorship, still stands.

      Don’t get me wrong I dislike censorship and unnecessarily removed content, but I wouldn’t have used this as my support for that argument.

  • Melody

    Personally I do like the ZSS and Zelda costumes better being a fan of both of those series. And I’m not really into horror games either so it doesn’t really affect me directly anyway. But all that said I do agree because it could just as easily be something I do care about being censored. And indeed there have been cases where games I cared about were censored. I’ve never understood why some people are always so quick to trivialize something they’re not really affected by.

    And making it eshop exclusive is bad as well. The Wii U just does not have that much space on it. If you have the 8GB model you have no choice but to use a usb hdd. Even if you have a 32 gb model chances are you still will need one unless you rarely download games or dlc. The way the wii u works it completely discourages using it because it stores your saves on it as well and if the drive dies then you lose all of your progress. Then there is that the drive cannot be used for anything else. And lastly you’re limited to usb 2.0 speeds. They couldn’t even afford to put in a usb 3.0 port or something. That’s passing the costs onto the consumer and then kicking them while they’re down. Or maybe the kicking them while they’re down bit came when they decided to make a game that can’t fit on most people’s Wii U’s.And to go further and censor that very game is not cool man. Don’t do this to your fans NOA.

    Ironically NOA tried appeasing fans for removing fanservice by including a different kind of fanservice. That’s what it really is. Like I said above, I do like these outfits more than the removed ones, but I have to call it like I see it. Another thing is that they censored it for a T rating, but couldn’t they have just made some M rated dlc (made it free) for those that are 17 or older. AT most, a game should only be censored to reach an M rating. Even then that is pushing it. There are plenty of adults who don’t like being treated like children. But at least that makes some sense as we’re still at the point where people think video games are only for children, even if they are older. This is why the envelope has been getting pushed more and more. The kind of games that get rated e today would probably have been rated T years ago. Many T games would have been rated M. That said, other games have been getting rated higher than before as well, though in the latter case it is usually because things were missed that raised it or graphics have improved to the point they make it look worse (from a child appropriateness standpoint). Or because it wasn’t bad enough to rate a T but at the time there wasn’t an E10 rating.

    All in all, I like the new costumes and I think others like them too, but if they were additions rather than replacements they would have been looked upon much better. Without the problems the game would probably sell well, and the costumes in that case would actually help with it. but right not they are not helping because they are replacements that are being looked at with disgust. It’s like being robbed but the thief leaves money to “pay’ for what was taken. Yeah, the money is nice, but you’re probably going to miss the stuff more than the money, even if it is enough to pay for what was taken.

  • gojiguy

    This seems like a pretty harsh overreaction.

    It’s a fucking pervy swimsuit, dude. They replaced them with cooler costumes.

    • TalesOfBS

      No, they replaced then with halfassed reused assets.

      Also, care to read? Fck the swimsuits, it is about the whole situation regarding digital only, lack of promotion and censoring a mature game.

  • Annie

    What killed 3rd party support are the Wii U’s low sales and different architecture which doesn’t make it worth the effort to port games to it, and I understand the problem with a digital-only 16GB game for a console with 32GB of space, most Wii U owners have already ran out of space but the erotic costumes being replaced are in no way something bad

    They’re not just bikinis, they’re erotic gravure swimsuits, in Japan that’s completely fine for them because there are 14 and 15 year old gravure idols posing for magazines but you don’t see 14 year old girls posing for Playboy in the west, youngest playmate ever was 16 years old and they were taken to court because of that, Miu is 17 years old, so for japanese people it would be ok to depict her completely naked (as long as they censor her genitalia with blur) but in the rest of the world she’s underage, when localizing they have to take into account that every country, region and state has different laws regarding the depiction of minors in media so it’s either make a different version for every different region to make sure they don’t infringe any law or (the easier option) just replace the pedophilic costumes with internationally appropiate and more fitting Nintendo costumes

    • evilmajikman

      Well why not just white wash the characters and make it take place in some American town that nobody’s heard of while we’re at it? You either localize the game or you don’t. It’s rated M. Adults are smart enough to google what they don’t understand.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Wait, so you’re saying you’d prefer no localization to a localization with two costumes swapped out?

    • Annie

      I fail to see what America and caucasians have to do with underage girls being sexualized

    • TalesOfBS

      17 and 19 years. In bikinis.
      >>underage being sexualized.

      But for some reason you seem pretty fine with underage squid girls on bike shorts shaking their asses on a very sexually suggestive way on the Plaza right?
      Hypocrite.

    • Annie

      lol

    • TalesOfBS

      Jesus, you are defending Nintendo even here? What a sheep.

    • Annie

      Ok, I’ll keep in mind that in order to defend a company you have to call their products a failure not worthy of attention from any 3rd parties

  • Arody Vasquez

    ok thats it! im going with sony.

    • Travis Touchdown

      Have fun not having any games.

    • evilmajikman

      Except inFamous, Onechanbara, Senran Kagura Estival Versus, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Persona 5, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Ratchet & Clank, Guilty Gear Xrd, the Yakuza games…. So much for not ANY games. Considering idgaf about Mario and Zelda, my Wii-U is just my Bayonetta 2 machine.

    • Travis Touchdown

      Have fun not having any good games.

  • Travis Touchdown

    So to recap, people are getting upset at a fourteen year old girl not showing enough skin.

    • Melon

      I think a lot of people are upset with the principle of censorship, especially on an already rated M game, rather than losing the outfits.

    • SullenSamurai

      14? One of them is 17, if I remember correctly, so if that abhors you, then by all means, be abhorred. But at least get your facts straight.

    • Travis Touchdown

      The costumes, in the Japanese version, actually appear in game during flashbacks.

    • SullenSamurai

      Ah, if she’s 14 in the flashback cutscene then I stand partially corrected (she’d still be 17 during the gameplay when using the unlockable costume, if that matters). But my viewpoint remains wholly unaffected.

    • Bianca Ann Saracino

      One girl is 17 and the other 19.

    • Titangamecube

      Our priorities screwed up aren’t they? I mean, if Nintendo replaced every ghost in the game with Boos, that would be censorship (although that would be hilarious), but apparently, A 14 year old girl….a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD, doesn’t have a bikini on? CENSORSHIP. Im starting to think people don’t know what the word means.

  • Melon

    I wouldn’t be so upset about the whole thing if the console wasn’t region locked. Fatal Frame is one of my favorite series and it’s frustrating not knowing whether I’ll get to play a new one. Don’t get me wrong, I am so thankful I DO get to play this one, even if it’s digital only (I hate digital), but NoA treats the series like shit. I wish KT would get the rights to sequels back.

    I know physical vs. digital release is a money issue for Nintendo, but honestly fans would have translated it for free (i.e. free fan translation & patch for the fourth game) and helped out in any way possible. Also if the game is already rated M, there was no need to censor it at all. I’m not really going to miss the bikini outfits, but it was still unnecessary.

  • Thomas

    Their’s really not a thing that NoA can do but be shitlords.
    We really need to be under NoE and NoA be thrown in the trash where it belongs.
    #downwithNoA

  • Melon

    Truthfully, we all shouldn’t really be surprised at NoA’s actions anyway. They tried to pass the blame by saying KT determines where the games are released. C’mon, NoA.

  • Lord Ackercocke

    Okay, now how can go about playing the U.K version on my U.S. Wii U is what I want to know.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      The UK version has also swapped out the costumes.

    • Lord Ackercocke

      I really wanted a physical copy minus any censorship. Looks like that’s not happening. Cheers for the info.

  • Rafael Mario Sanchez

    Seriously, Nintendo of America? You censored swimsuits for the American release? This year is your most questionable year for me. First, the long delayed New 3DS regular (PLUS Happy Home Designer because you can’t buy it WITHOUT getting that game too and at a price more expensive than the XL model). Then, the long delayed Yoshi’s Woolly World and Devil’s Third (former is the only good one). AND NOW, NO SWIMSUITS in my female protagonist horror game?! When will you learn, Reggienator? When will you learn to up your game!?

    • TalesOfBS

      Buts the kids and soccer moms…. think of them.

  • StewfartLegofham

    I really feel bad for Nintendo in all of this.
    If they did leave the costumes in, they would have hypersensitive news outlets criticizing them for something something misogyny and likely have a negative impact on the game sales and media presence.

    It’s a lose/lose situation and it’s all down to the influence that the current infantile clique press has over the industry.

    I appreciate seeing OPrainfall publish this article, consumers should have the right to choose.

  • Tiago Barbosa Do Nascimento

    Wow, i spent a couple minutes reading the comments, and that pretty much proves Nintendo of America’s position.

    There is so many people in this coment session just really ANGRY by someone asking to have access of the full content, just because the content is sexualized.

    Apparently in 2015, people just can’t deal with sexualization outside of Japan.
    And by not giving the option nintendo in protecting this sensitive public… very sad i must say.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I’ve been on here for a couple days now, and I’ve seen only a couple people mad about that, and they weren’t that mad. There are a bunch of people who don’t care, or think the change is justified, but very few are actually “really ANGRY”.

      And yes, outside of Japan most people are against the sexualization of teenage girls.

    • Tiago Barbosa Do Nascimento

      I guess it comes with territory, after all even tough Japan is the country that pratices Sex the LEAST in the world.
      Age of consent there is 13…
      I am 25 and confortable enough to not be bothered by the sexuality of fictional girls with umproportinal bodies for their “suposed age”.

      Still, having more costumes for me is always better than having less regardless of how ridiculous they look.
      Hell many people even went trough so much trouble to get a platinum Yoshi costume in Wooly World.

    • Tiago Barbosa Do Nascimento

      Well, i think it comes with territory, even tough Japan is the country that pratices LEAST sex in the world, the age of consent there is 13…

      But even so i am 25 and confortable with the sexuality of Fictional charaters of umproportional bodies for their “suposed age” (we could bring how Sailor Moon never looked 14, upskirt shots and everything but leave this fun discution for later).

      More to the point of the article, i will aways be bothered by having less acess to content, regardless of how ridiculous it it.
      Hell so many people went throug so many trouble to unlock a Platinum Yoshi in Wolly World. ( he is shiny… yay )
      Why can’t i grind to get a lingerie or now in Fatal Frame for the WiiU like i could in Onimusha for PS2 ?

    • SullenSamurai

      In general, this site doesn’t have a particularly big audience, yet a surprisingly large portion of that audience is apologetic towards censorship; this is something I’ve noticed lurking here for over a year. So if you think this site is indicative of the general consensus, you are mistaken to a hilarious degree.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      He was talking about the comments on this page.

      The general consensus of what, exactly?

    • TalesOfBS

      You can find almost all of these people who say censorship is right on NE, WiiuDaily and Siliconera, (they sheep on a daily basis on the first 2) and came here only because of the negativity towards Nintendo’s decision.

      For some reason, they need to prove everybody that Nintendo is right and always knows what is best for us, we don’t need to think, we just need to follow and like what Nintendo says we should like.

      At least there is still hope for Nintendo. I used to frequent those places in the past 2 years and they are only a shrinking minority.
      Lots of bad news, lack of news and screwups made Nintendo lose a lot of their real old school fans, the ones who were used to a better Nintendo, the ones who are now adults and don’t need to ask their parents for money nor permission to buy games anymore. These people are now wasting their money on Sony and MS.
      At some point Nintendo will be forced to get their sht together unless they want to turn just into yet another Sega surviving with shtty phone games.

  • benbever

    That’s really sad news. I wanted to buy the limited edition. But I can’t, in good taste, buy a censored game, and support future censorship.

  • Rafael Nascimento

    Such weak complaints.

  • I think the censorship is unnecessary and a bit odd since Nintendo did publish Bayonetta 2 and the game is rated M. The replacement costumes are pretty cool though. I would have bought the game if it I could get a physical copy.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Bayonetta starred an adult woman. Fatal frame stars a teenage girl.

    • Still unnecessary when you have games like Akiba’s Trip, Gal*Gun and countless others being localized.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      Those games are usually published by small companies that typically specialize in those types of games.

    • True. I just feel it is a needless censorship when there are things on the market that way worse in that regard that no one talks about. I am fairly certain that if they kept the outfits in the game there would be no articles about it and no one would talking about it.

  • Firefox

    327 comments my goodness. Is it time to start a new campaign to protest censorship? Like the DLC train (which started with just aesthetics) this can be a slippery slope if we accept some of it.

    • Thomas

      No we just need to take down NoA.
      #downwithNoA

  • kingofe3

    In case people are wondering, yes, the Ayane missions are still in the NA/Europe versions of the game.

    http://www.destructoid.com/review-fatal-frame-maiden-of-black-water-316035.phtml

    http://www.n-europe.com/reviews/project-zero-maiden-of-black-water-review

  • Jeremy Barnes

    Reggie hates his customers. Just keep giving them dollars and take what he gives you.

    • Thomas

      That’s why NoA needs to be shut down and replaced with NoE.
      #downwithNoA

  • This is how I see it. The fact that we can compare the US’s digital only release to the more varied options EU gets for their release has me upset. I’d rather have a physical version of this game, because I prefer physical and Wii U’s lack of sufficient harddrive space. It is as simple as that. As for the censored outfits, I don’t agree with that either. And not because I’d want to drool over it, but because that design was obviously the original creators intentions. I don’t care that it doesn’t affect gameplay. Simply, I’d want the lingerie AND the ZSS+Zelda outfits. Why replace the former?

  • Great article but some of these comments remind me why I stopped visiting this website, absolutely moronic and completely missing the point as to why people are outraged. Censorship is wrong regardless of what you think of the swimsuits. If i’m buying a game I want it to be released in one piece without stuff missing, tacking on lame costumes that have nothing to do with the series won’t make up for removing things. As a recent Wii U owner I would have considered buying this but a $50 price point for a large sized digital only game that’s censored kills any of the interest I had. Would much rather support a company that understands what it means to properly localize a game.

    • azariosays

      Thanks for coming back and reading! I completely agree with your points.

  • FatalFrameFan69

    I sware that the people complaining about the censorship have a really bad case of aspergers.

  • TalesOfBS

    Eagerly waiting for the day Nintendo will start removing Pokemons from the games because for some reason they think they don’t fit their western kiddy market so i can take a laugh at the massive rage of their sheeps.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      They kind of did that already. They didn’t remove a character entirely, of course, but they did change Jynx from black to purple after accusations of racism. Most fans didn’t care, because it didn’t really matter.

    • TalesOfBS

      There is a lot of censorship in pokemon already, especially on TCG, but that was mostly in old art because back then they were only focused on the japanese market. They are probably making sure that everything now doesn’t contain any themes that could be offensive to America.

      But yeah, i would love to see their censorship going as far as fully removing a Pokemon (remember when they did fully remove some episodes only because of silly stuff like a gun and fake tits?) so these sheeps will see how it sucks when something you like gets butchered because NoA thinks they need to make sure everything is child friendly, even mature games.

    • TrueWiiMaster

      I don’t think removing a Pokemon would be comparable to swapping out a couple costumes in Fatal Frame. It would be a much bigger deal, since they’d actually be removing a character, not just swapping out extras.

  • Montana Szobonya

    Any censorship is bad. We have a ratings board for a reason, as long as people are informed as to the content of the game there is ZERO reason to censor it. I’ve always loved the Fatal Frame series but I’m going to have to vote with my wallet on this one.

  • darmoch

    This article makes a pretty bold statement. Most writers these days are against objectification of women or pretend to take the moral high ground. Kudos on championing the spank material in games; most wouldn’t have the cajones to tell the world how they really feel.

  • nobitakun

    I’m from europe and I don’t really understand what’s the point of this debate. I think the people not understanding why this fuss about censoring extra content that does not affect main storyline are not understanding the other side of the coin, and vice-versa. I think you all are right in your way, but if I have to choose either one or the other I would choose not to censorship anything, because what I talk is not about what content is censored or not is the concept of “censorship”. If you think twice about it (as a concept), what makes you feel it is something right? (I repeat, think about it as a concept for your daily life). In Spain (where I was born and live) had very hard times not so long ago, because of the censorship and dictatorship. Now people can externalize their feelings and do more things without it, and never caused as many problems as censorship did.

    So I ask again, why would you think censorship is good as a concept? if you really have thought it twice and still feel that censorship is good for our society then I can’t stop you, it is your opinnion after all.

  • Looks like Nintendo does it again, but with Xenoblade Chronicles X this time: http://wiiudaily.com/2015/10/xenoblade-chronicles-x-censored-in-west/

  • No one likes pedophiles

    “I can’t play a game as a minor in wet lingerie being assaulted by ghosts and that is a travesty” =I The outfits were removed because the characters were too young and in America we have stricter laws against child pornography. In Japan statutory rape essentially does not exist and much of the EU also has low standards in that regard, so they don’t care. On top of that, you lose literally nothing by having less sex in the game–in fact, playing as Samus is surprisingly less immersion breaking than playing in as little clothing as physically possible.

  • Sato

    Fatal Frame is one of my favorite franchisees… And I Hate how NIntendo handle it. This censoring is complete bullshit to top all of my other concerns, I hate censoring in all aspects.
    One example: In Stardew valley a bong was changed into a vase, this was in Sebastian’s room. (One of the characters in the series) It was a simple change, but I don’t think it was necessary. No matter how the content is, a game creator shouldn’t have to worry about his creativity. :/

    Great article by the way.
    Fatal Frame should be on Sony consoles, or Pc at least… Nintendo can’t handle third-party games, Nintendo of America is pure crap.

  • Nintengoth

    So the game is crap and you hate Ninty coz they take out something for you to wank over? Get a grip on reality! Pz2 for Wii was great, barring controlls, and 4&5 where amazing know your games!

  • Nyarlathotep

    I think if they wanted to turn it into a hard core porno they should have the right to if its what they really want to do?

    just give it the proper rating and hide it in the back of the shop like they do the porn at normal stores.

    You should be able to create what ever the fuck you want as a Creator if you have the talent.

    censors are for pussies and children I’m a fucking grownn ass man I don’t need to have my hand held like a little kid. I find it insulting.

    It seems there are a lot more puritains and moral buisybodies who want to force feed everyone their own Morales instead of just letting people be to do their own thing.

    It just seems weird that their is so much protest when it comes to video games you can have nudity and porn in novels manga. Movies but when it comes to video games we have to treat it with kid gloves.

    The idea of censorship is retarded when you have a rating system give it the proper rating and age restriction based on the content within the game it’s as simple as that.

    The bikini thing is just retarded have these douchebags never been to the beach.

    (What kinda wuss is offended by a bikini fucking children I swear.)

    They know there are nude beaches out there to right?

    I just think censorship in any form is retarded that is all i am saying really.

  • Epic Ninfia

    Exaggeration alert eshop exclusive doesn’t alienate fans be grateful u still got the game. Stop being sensitive

    Anyone who gets mad at dumb shit the way you are doing means you need a life

    Censorship is not that serious

    Does this affect how you eat sleep have sex or live your life

    • Epic Ninfia

      Your behavior is entitlement

  • Epic Ninfia

    Why do u need naked girls for a horror game Stop being perverts

  • Epic Ninfia

    Why fight and disagree with what fellow gamers want

    Because damn near everything in this article is incorrect and shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s obvious the content and theme of this game would’ve suffered from an AO rating in this country. They’re not “censoring” or removing anything just for the sake of it. They’re doing it to avoid controversy or being able to sell the game at all. How hard is that to understand?

    When Nintendo told PG to give Bayonetta back her open cleavage Link outfit and NOA did nothing to modify it, I’m sure they wouldn’t have a problem with this and would’ve just released it

  • Joseph

    I know this is old but are you guys angry about the costumes because you are against censorship in all its forms, or are you angry about the costumes because you want to ogle at the girls in them and are frustrated you can’t do it on your own screens? I’m not judging either way, I like the lingerie costumes, I’m just curious as to why the lack of sexy extra costumes can help kill Fatal Frame as a franchise. Removing two costumes doesn’t really make much of a difference to the game as a whole.