OPINION: Why Fire Emblem Fates Will Be Worth the Hype

Monday, February 1st, 2016

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I have a confession to make – I am incredibly excited about the upcoming release of Fire Emblem Fates for the 3DS. Which version, you might ask? All of them. I am one of those fans who pre-ordered the Special Edition online at the first opportunity, and now eagerly await my chance to play through Birthright, Conquest and Revelation. You might find it surprising that such an unabashed fan of Fates still writes at oprainfall, especially given some of the bad press as of late. Nevertheless, as a gamer, a Fire Emblem fan and an optimist, I will take it upon myself to convince those worried about Fates why they should instead be excited again.

Fire Emblem Fates

First of all, how about the fact that this is the first Fire Emblem game to release since the incredible Fire Emblem Awakening? That by itself has me excited, though I’ve been a Fire Emblem fan since it first came to the West in 2003 on GBA. I spent countless hours playing and replaying Sacred Stones as well as the original, and grew to love the series for it’s fair yet hard take on permadeath. The tactical gameplay, the weapon triangle, everything spoke to me. Granted, I haven’t loved every single game the same, most notably Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. Though I liked seeing Fire Emblem on a home console, both of those games were unbalanced in many ways, not least of all that of the difficulty. Regardless, the point I’m trying to bring home is that I’ve been a fan of the series for some 13 years now, and it would take a hell of a lot for me to completely revise that opinion, let alone skip a game. Most especially a game that takes many of the improvements and conventions added in Awakening and adds to them with potentially 3 times the content available!

Fire Emblem Fates Special Edition

I suppose there’s many of you crowing about the recent controversies regarding Fates. Yes, I acknowledge that those may have some folks rightfully concerned. First there is the issue of the content revision regarding the sexual conversion of Soleil via a magical powder. Secondly, there was the recent removal of a head patting mini game. While I can certainly understand fans not wanting any changes to content by Nintendo, especially after the recent Fatal Frame controversy, I would argue this is an apples to oranges situation. Fatal Frame not only was a far more serious issue, it was compounded by several foolish decisions, not least of which was the decision to not give Western gamers a physical release of what was a gigantic horror game for a console with extremely limited memory space. I would argue that the issues surrounding Fates, by comparison, are far less weighty, and perhaps not worth all the recent anxiety and disgust.

With regard to the Soleil issue, I can understand why Nintendo would alter a scene that, in an already overly charged gaming environment, might be seen as an allusion to date rape drugs. Rape is not a topic to be treated lightly, and I frankly think this was a wise decision, as I can already imagine the outcry had this not been rectified. With regard to the mini-game… honestly, why is everybody concerned about this? It was a minor, overly goofy mini-game that, in my opinion, did very little to improve the gameplay experience. It’s not like they removed the cutscenes or the support conversation dialogue. I think most serious Fire Emblem fans come to the series for one of several reasons – the tactical combat, the replay value, the character interaction and the vibrant storytelling. Silly mini-games are none of these things, and while I don’t think that Nintendo needed to remove it, I am also not sad that it’s gone from our version of the game. After all, this would hardly be the first time that Japanese gamers got access to some completely inane feature that us Western gamers didn’t. But just because we don’t get something doesn’t make it inherently special. Hell, sometimes we get games that have been improved from the Japanese version; just take Project X Zone, for example.

Nintendo of America

Now I know that some of you are also concerned about the Pokemon approach to Fates, wherein fans need to get multiple copies of the game to experience all the features. Firstly, from what I understand, each version of Fates will not only be a full game, but also significantly different from the other, not just a simple re-skin ala Pokemon. Secondly, Nintendo has already provided a way that owners of any version of the game can acquire the other for a discount digitally. That’s actually surprisingly thoughtful on their part, and any cost conscious gamer can appreciate the gesture. But for those of you who are crowing about wanting all the games at a discount, it’s not like you didn’t have a chance to pick up the Special Edition for $79.99, which essentially gives you three games for the price of two, besides some very nice looking collectibles. Oh, plus there is always the fact that we’re getting new DLC every week once the game releases, and as a fan of the DLC found in Awakening, I am very happy about this. Especially if said DLC will give me the needed edge to make my way through the brutal sounding Conquest campaign…

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So there you have it. I acknowledge that there are reasons that some fans of Fire Emblem might be a little worried about Fates, but I personally am not swayed by the controversy or bad vibes. If Fates is even a fraction as good as Awakening was (I put 200+ hours into Awakening), it will easily be one of my favorite 3DS games of 2016. While it’s certainly possible that these two minor changes will ruin the game, I’m not holding my breath. And if nothing else, I love any series that not only gives me Tharja, but then doubles down with a character I lovingly refer to as Tharja 2.0, the lovely Camilla! I think I’ll be very happy with Fates, and encourage those pessimists to give the game a chance. I really think it will live up to and possibly even exceed my hype when it releases in a few short weeks.

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About Josh Speer

Josh Speer is addicted to two things in equal measure : Books and Videogames. He has a degree from the University of Washington in English with an emphasis on writing. He joined Operation Rainfall last year while following it on Facebook. His two giant life goals are to write his own series of fantasy / science fiction novels and to get into the creative side of the video game industry. He is beyond pleased to now have his proverbial foot in the door thanks to the opportunity provided by Oprainfall!




  • Thomas

    Doubtful, since we’re getting a gimped version of it and people are already canceling their pre-orders and buying nstc-jp copies from Play-Asia its bound to be a disappointment. The fans ask for their game to be not censored and all they get is lolcalization in the end. #FEtears #suffermore

    • Ari

      I doubt the cancelations are significant enough to make Nintendo think any differently, and if your buying the the Japanese version, then in the end Nintendo still gets your money.

    • MJ F

      to call this a “gimped” version is dumb. They haven’t changed anything meaningful. Just a couple of trivial modifications. And no, people aren’t cancelling their pre-orders. And nobody is getting their copies from Play-Asia – cuz we can’t read japanese – you moron. Nice troll post, though. You got me to bite.

    • James McEneely

      Funny, because I did cancel my pre-order and I do have the Japanese version. I have zero tolerance for censorship, honestly. Besides, with the wealth of language-learning aids and walkthroughs with translations available, it’s not that hard to play the game. Confusing at first, certainly, but not impossible.

      And if they’re removed the Petting Mini-game, it DOES effect the game, especially Conquest. Because in Conquest it was needed to off-set not being able to grind support levels unless you use WiFi battles. So Conquest got gimped at the very least.

    • MJ F

      OK – so you have more fun with a translation guide – going back and forth for every sentence. No, I’m not going to learn Japanese just so I can pet the faces on my 3DS. Seriously – you people are the worst. So did you buy a japanese 3DS – or are you using your 3DS but now you’re unable to go to the eShop. Seriously – any of those choices are much more tedious than just not petting faces and buying the modified release. You calling it “censored” makes me think back to all of those “unrated edition” dvds that were around 10 years ago. Like, oooo – Japan gets the UNCENSORED version of Fire Emblem. What did they censor? Face petting and a meaningless and awkward sexual orientation scenario. I’m glad I’m getting the North American version. I didn’t want to sit there petting video game characters. This isn’t like the Final Fantasy 4 censoring – where they made the game easier – took out dynamic abilities – removed all religious undertones. This is a simple and benign minor tweaking at worst. So whatever – go buy your Japanese 3DS – or make your 3DS unable to be updated – and buy your translation guide – and continue to go back and forth between the two. Sounds like a whole lot of fun!!

    • James McEneely

      I already had a Japanese 3DS, actully. And Translation guides are for the story. And free, interestingly enough. All I need is basic translations for menus. Easy stuff. And since I’m already learning Japanese… well.

      Here’s the thing: this “localization” is starting to look lIke the 90s all over again. Except that we gave advanced warning this time. We do nothing now? It’ll just keep getting worse. And the next thing you know, it IS another Final Fantasy VI. If you let them get a pass on the small stuff, it’ll just be worse later own.

      Better to nip it in the bud when they’re just rewriting Characters entirely. Awakening’s Translation, by the by, was fairly under par. Fates isn’t looking ant better. Camilla’s been re-written. Kamui’s been re-writren. Soliel, especially, has been gutted to remove “controversy”. Hell, I’m surprised Zero and Syalla weren’t made straight just to avoid more controversy.

      You’re welcome to your gutted characters, AND you’re toxic attitude. Others, like myself, aren’t going to take it sitting down. And that is OUR decision, not yours.

    • MJ F

      It was Final Fantasy IV BTW – not Final Fantasy VI. And I think you missed this part: “While players will be unable to touch the characters, the IGN playtesters were told by Nintendo that the benefits the feature gave are still there in some form. IGN wasn’t told exactly how this will be replaced, but fans can rest assured that they can still get the bonuses from the minigame in a different way.” So no, Conquest has not been gimped at all. And cool – so you’re the guy that owns a japanese 3DS for this very specific problem. But buying another 3DS and importing a game and a translation guide – and constantly going back and forth – that is tedious. But cool – you want to do it. All the power to you. What a giant waste of time – in order to pet faces. And your calling the characters “rewritten” is a gross overstatement. You’re seriously making a mountain out of a molehill. I’m glad you folks will be cancelling your pre-orders. It means another copy I might have the chance to pick up. I didn’t want to have to buy the regular one – maybe now I’ll be able to get one – and when you get tired of going back and forth between your translation guide and the game – and try to get a copy – and you won’t be able to – I’ll be whistling dixie with my NA Special Edition Copy.

    • James McEneely

      I did mean IV. I was replying on a phone.

      I saw that part. It’s fucking stupid, is what it is. If they’re going to leave the support boosts in, why can the min-game?

      Translation guides are FREE, you arrogant ass. And I have a Japanese 3DS because there are games I want to play that don’t get localized in the first place. And you don’t have to “go back an forth” with translation guides. Funnily enough, I actually CAN read some Japanese, meaning the only thing I need to read is a script for the story (which I don’t do during my gameplay). Menu stuff is easy.

      Gosh, what do you call it when you change a character entirely? “Localized”? Kamui’s been re-written from the ground up. Camilla’s been re-written. Soleil’s been re-written. Those are just the ones we know about. There’s bound to be more changes that we won’t discover until the game is released.

      Again, have fun with your gutted copy. I won’t ever need to get a North American version. Because, surprise surprise, there is nothing that makes me want to get the North American version. I don’t want three different versions of the same game, anyway. Hoshido’s route doesn’t interest me, nor does the Neutral Route. The only characters I have an interest in are on the Nohr route to begin with. I saved myself $50 by importing.

      Now run along. You’re stinking up the place with your toxic attitude.

    • MJ F

      Cool – so you don’t really like Fire Emblem then. Whatever. I play games I like a lot. I’m quite interested in playing the whole game. And no, those characters haven’t been dramatically changed. You say “re-written” – nope – they haven’t. They made trivial changes to those characters – mainly just their outfits. And you say you don’t read the script of the story during play – ok – that is why you would need to keep going back and forth, if you actually wanted to – you know – Know What is Going on in the game. But whatever – apparently you don’t have any interest in a large portion of this game – and you play the game and read the script separately? OK – this continues to sound more and more tedious. A much more enjoyable experience for me – is to play the game they sell me. Whatever – I’m glad I’ll be able to scoop up that Special Edition that people are “cancelling” as you put it (even though I have the feeling you’re the only one doing this) – Cool story, bro – you sound like the most pretentious douche bag. You’re seriously making a big deal about nothing. They’ve changed almost nothing about the game – but you’re gonna be reading japanese scripts and not knowing what the characters are saying on the screen with their multiple dialogue options. Whatever – have fun with this game that you apparently don’t really like.

    • James McEneely

      Sure, whatever you say. It’s not like you listen or care anyway. How I enjoy my games is my business. Have fun with your diminished product and your head so far up your ass you can taste your own stomach acid.

      And by the way?

      I’ll still have finished the game and know what happens before you even get yours.

    • MJ F

      Cool story – have fun petting faces and nothing else at all.

    • MJ F

      But when I invent a time machine – I’ll go back in time and play it before you were even BORN. So nannynannypoopoo – you live in dog doo.

    • MJ F

      You say diminished product – but nothing has been changed but some outfits and some face petting. Cool – sounds like a much improved product to me.

    • MJ F

    • MJ F


      Compare and contrast. Is this really a big deal?

    • MJ F

      and there is this comment in one of the videos: “To anyone who says they’re “cancelling they’re pre-order”:

      You are overreacting like a baby, you’re clearly not a Fire Emblem fan and you most likely weren’t that interested in the game to begin with. It’s silly, honestly.” Yup – sounds about right.

    • MJ F

      unless you use wi-fi levels – or the random encounters on the world map – or DLC – or any other method you want. Seriously – there are so many ways to boost support levels. And this is a quote from Nintendoworldreport “While players will be unable to touch the characters, the IGN playtesters were told by Nintendo that the benefits the feature gave are still there in some form. IGN wasn’t told exactly how this will be replaced, but fans can rest assured that they can still get the bonuses from the minigame in a different way.” So no, Conquest has not been gimped at all.

  • Daymon

    I’m personally very excited for this game, and I agree a lot with what you’ve said. Does it suck that the game had some changes made? It does. Does it suck that they were unnecessary? Totally. But I’m still excited for this game, and I’m still going to play it, and I still think it’s going to be an overall great game.

    • Josh S.

      I’m glad I’m not the only optimist haha 😀

    • MJ F

      I don’t think the changes suck at all. I think they don’t change the game in any real way. So whatever – I don’t have to pet my characters? Awesome!

  • Firion Hope

    I’d argue the headpat game does add to the game since its the majority of the voice acting and it helps flesh out characters who otherwise get 5 lines in the game outside of supports and feel pretty unimportant, characters who are capable of dying and that you’re meant to care about. Also a way to bond even further with your marriage partner. Plus the live2d tech is really neat, and its completely optional to begin with.

    Nor do I think its cool to change a characters story because people misinterpret it and it might make them uncomfortable. It’s a love potion, oldest trope in the book. It’s not even on the level of a love potion though because it just changes appearances. It’s the plot to Shallow Hal, no one got upset because him being hypnotized without knowing was somehow “rape”.

    I will say I don’t mind it being more expensive for the content you get. It’s $80 and I’d be willing to say its got at least close to twice the content of awakening in some ways, though the story doesn’t really feel wrapped up unless you play all three routes.

    Anyway I’d really suggest everyone import a copy and using the fan patch, get to support the game and play it translated well (awakenings official TL was completely godawful) by people who don’t try and take away steak knives from adults because maybe children could get ahold of them and hurt themselves.

    • Daymon

      I ask this purely out of curiosity, because I’m a nerd. How much should be taken off the retail price of the game due to the missing content? Would you calculate it based off of a percentage of the overall content in the game?

    • PanurgeJr

      There is no missing content. There is only content which is in a different version of the game in a different market which isn’t in this version, but that is no different from content dropped from every version when it comes to the decision of whether or not to buy. You are getting a complete game, and is what you get is worth the cost you should buy it. If not you shouldn’t. But someone else in a different market getting something different has nothing to do with it.

    • Daymon

      I pose my question merely as a hypothetical. I have no motive or desire to engage in the issue of what may or may not be there or what have you. I’m honestly just curious as to what the monetary value would be in this hypothetical scenario, and how that would be figured out.

    • Firion Hope

      Not sure, but if it was post patch dlc it’d be at least 5-10$

    • Daymon

      Can I continue this hypothetical? I’m just really stoked somebody answered. I see this statement made all the time, and it always gets me thinking, “Okay, so how much should be taken off?” So, assuming that it’s never released as DLC, and we can’t really guess what DLC price would potentially be, what would the monetary worth of it be, and how would that be determined?

    • Firion Hope

      I think dlc is the only really valid way to look at it. If they were to for example remove a single non story character you could say compared to the content in the game they’re only worth 25 cents or something. However if they were offered as dlc they’d almost surely be priced at least a few dollars.

      If you get more subjective then it’ll hold more value for some people than others, some wouldn’t care about it at all and some would be really looking forward to the feature (like I said it is some neat tech and it does have the majority of the games voice acting, and a lot of people care about the waifu aspects of the game). And its not fair to the people who do care about it to say its not worth much because some people wouldn’t.

      Anyway I wouldn’t be able to think of an exact value it’d be worth, but it does now have objectively less content than the JP version. I guess it does beg the question of if they added additional stuff in localization should you pay more, but as far as I know the exchange value means JP pay less for games to begin with, not to mention get them much earlier.

  • Razorfall

    This really pisses me off because someone else besides the devs is dictating what your game experience should be.

    • Ari

      Then don’t buy this version. Just get the Japanese version.

    • 3DS is region locked tho

    • PanurgeJr

      You’re pissed off because the people funding the project have a say in the content they’re paying for? Got it.

    • Razorfall

      No, I’m pissed off that they removed an entire feature of the game that I (as in ME, the customer) am paying for.

    • PanurgeJr

      If it’s not in the game you’re not paying for it; you’re paying for what is in the game. What was cut before the game is sold has nothing to do with the economic decision the consumer makes of whether or not to buy. This remains true of content that was cut entirely, and of content that appears in a different version in a different market.

    • MJ F

      you can just swipe your second screen if you really want to. Go nuts. Seriously – people are mad about the “changes?” It baffles me – they didn’t change anything that matters.

    • Hogtree Octovish

      When it involves changes to an already existing product, with no way to get a translated version of said product without the cuts, I’d say they have a right to be pissed.

      And you’re acting like Nintendo is giving the game away to us, free of charge, with no payment on the consumer side of things.

      Honestly, I think the whole waifu petting minigame is an extremely silly idea, but it’s harmless.
      I can’t see anyone but the most repressed curmudgeon seeing any offensive content in it.

      And I don’t see any logic in why such a thing should be removed in a translated version.

    • PanurgeJr

      I’m actually acting like money is central to the entire process. And there is one fundamental difference between the consumer and the publisher. The publisher bears the entire financial risk; the consumer bears none. That is why the publisher controls content.

    • Hogtree Octovish

      Yeah, yeah.
      Integrity is overrated.
      Who cares about the actual consumers when you can make a quick buck to please the investors.
      And it’s not that important to the finished product.

      The way Ninty’s going these days, it wouldn’t surprise me if the waifu stroking minigame is still in the translated version, but you need to buy a fucking Corrin Amiibo to unlock it.
      Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

    • PanurgeJr

      In what way does controlling the product you’re funding demonstrate a lack of integrity? Or not caring about consumers? It doesn’t, in either case. And given how long game development takes the claim that they are out for a quick buck is demonstrably false.

      In fact, one could easily argue that trying to make as much money as possible actually shows more care for consumers. After all, the only way that can happen is to produce something that more people want and will purchase. Trying to make money by ignoring customers doesn’t exist, which a moment’s reflection will show.

    • Hogtree Octovish

      If I was complaining about the original version of the game, that train of logic might make sense (and in some respects does make sense).

      But I’m not.
      I’m talking about cutting content from a translated version for no valid reason.
      And if it was cut for the reason I think it was (although I’m pretty sure you can caress the male characters too), then I fucking give up.

      And I used integrity for it’s double meaning, in the sense that (at least in my opinion) a good translation changes as little as possible to the original product (barring the actual language used, obviously) and doesn’t just chop out parts of it willy-nilly.

  • Wolfe

    Opinion: Not only is turning a single game into multiple copies for maximum profit a middle finger to consumer good will, doing so after removing content is rubbing salt in the wounds.

    Worth the wait? Only for apologists, puritans and fans who will excuse any action their favorite companies take. The rest of us will see this for what it is and act accordingly.

    • alex benhard

      my thoughts exactly.

  • azariosays

    Telling people to give a game a try that you haven’t played?…

    • Josh S.

      No, telling them why not to solely jump on the side of the fence with the pitchforks and torches. I can’t read the future, but I am giving my best reasons why I think it will be worth the wait. And it’s not like every gamer ever doesn’t tell people to buy something they haven’t played. Game journalism + online media tends to get us excited in advance, unlike the days of Nintendo Power 😉

    • azariosays

      Riding that hype train!!!

    • Daymon

      That’s awful supportive of your fellow staff member.

    • Josh S.

      To be fair Azario, neither of us have played it, so if we take that stance, nobody should have any feelings about the game yet haha.

    • azariosays

      Haha, I love josh 🙂

  • ZelpherFayt

    bravely default, xenoblade, fatal frame, now fire emblem? naw man i’m not giving Nintendo anymore money.. and if i do get this it sure as hell wont be a new copy.

    • PanurgeJr

      Those are four fantastic games. Or at least two are; two just have fantastic predecessors. Yeah, that sounds like a publisher to avoid.

  • TK

    I’m excited for the game, but… I really wish people could learn to compromise in the comments sections. The changes don’t bother me at all–the constant conflict, vicious denouncements and fan-to-fan aggression are the only things about the game I’m having trouble dealing with…

    • Josh S.

      That is the most calm and thoughtful approach to this topic I’ve seen yet! I congratulate you 🙂 And I wasn’t trying to make things worse with my editorial, just trying to give the game some positive spin.

  • David S

    Not for me it won’t. All anyone’s been taking about is the removed head pat feature, but don’t forget, this is Nintendo of America. There is likely a lot more that has been censored/altered… localized… than we can even guess. People were still finding censored parts in Xenoblade Chronicles X a month after release that were previously unknown. So I’m out. I’ve already canceled my CE preorder. I’ll wait and see what discovered. If I do get the NA version it will be second hand (no reason to give NOA any money for a CE gimped game), but it’s likely I will go the Homebrew/import/fanlation route.

    Bravely second just had it’s…localization..changes confirmed, so I’m axing that one as well if nothing improves before April.

  • Thomas

    Judging by the comments section, its pretty much split. Again all that hype died because of the lolcalizations that NoA made. Get cynical or get out.

  • Paychi

    The conflict is about censorship in general. America is supposed to have
    freedom of speech, but there’s more censorship and hand-holding each
    day because some small group of people get offended and cry out to have
    it changed or removed. Now everyone is tiptoeing around. It’s a domino
    effect. Censorship and conformity have reached comic books, TV shows and
    movies, and soon the internet is going to be censored. It’s not okay.
    Sure, it doesn’t matter if I’m not able to pet a waifu in my video
    game, but it’s the big picture. Start looking at it.

    • PanurgeJr

      It isn’t censorship when it is the decision of the people funding the project. You may find it distasteful, but to call it something it isn’t for the sake of being able to avoid making an argument, and to utilize the negative connotations that are associated with such a term, is intellectually dishonest.

    • tBanzai

      I’m not really sure where this idea that censorship by private companies or censorship by publishers is no less censorship than censorship by the government is coming from, but it’s no less disconcerting.

      It’s absolutely censorship. It’s LEGAL and the publisher is absolutely have the rights to change their own products, but that doesn’t change the fact that they changed or even outright omitted the original, intended content made by the developers because of either an ideological conflict between the publisher and developer or the perception that certain content might not sell as well in a different locale. Changing anything from the original game for the sake of sanitizing content is by very definition censorship regardless of who’s doing it.

      To say it isn’t would also be saying that the Comics Code Authority established by major comic book companies as a guideline to self-regulation in response to growing hysteria over the violent and sexual content of comic books in the West spurred on by ratings-happy mass media wasn’t censoring comics by neutering anything even remotely approaching mature themes (the words “horror” and “terror” could not be used in comic magazine titles an example of how ridiculous the degree of censorship was) when CCA is considered one of the worst acts of censorship to hit pop media.

      I won’t argue with you whether or not you think the alleged changes (alleged because we haven’t gotten actual confirmation by people with the game in their hands yet) are appropriate because that is entirely in the realm of personal opinion and not really something that can reasonably be debated, but please don’t try to claim that these alleged changes are anything but censorship.

    • PanurgeJr

      If it is the decision of the people funding the project it is by definition not censorship, because by accepting funding you also grant a share of authorial control. What the developers intend is only a portion of what determines what the final product should be; what fully determines it is what the developers and the publisher together intend. And when there is a disagreement, the publisher wins. Because when the developers took the money they sold the right to make the final decision. So yes, I will claim it isn’t censorship. Because it isn’t; it is a business decision.

    • tBanzai

      The decision to bleep out explicit language from television broadcasts by individual channels made with the assumption that the channels that own the rights to the content they air have the right to change the content as they wish. That is also a business decision but it is no less censorship. Just cause something was changed from its original state by the owning authority doesn’t make it any less censorship. Censorship and business decisions made by the owning party of an IP are not mutually exclusive.

    • PanurgeJr

      Methinks you are falling prey to the desire to label everything you dislike “censorship” in order to leverage the negative connotations that the term has without having to make actual arguments. Resisting that desire is precisely why I’m so adamant about the term.

    • tBanzai

      I haven’t mentioned anything of negative connotations of censorship other than in regards to the CCA. In fact, I think there are certain times where censorship is necessary. But it doesn’t seem like you’re reading anything I’m writing and are now attempting to put words in my mouth, so I suppose this is the end of the discussion.

    • PanurgeJr

      One need not mention a term’s connotations to use them. One uses them all the time, in fact. There is an entire subfield of linguistics which studies such phenomena, called pragmatics. And using terms and counting on their connotations, then denying one ever did so, is precisely the sort of linguistic sophistry found in courtrooms.

    • Steve Baltimore

      From Google:

      cen·sor·ship
      ˈsensərˌSHip/
      noun
      noun: censorship
      the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.
      NOA finds these things unacceptable in the West, so they censor them out.

    • PanurgeJr

      The officials referred to are the government, and the suppression referred to is prohibition of the publisher of what to publish. To claim that a publisher’s decision meets this definition is to disregard everything it actually says.

    • Steve Baltimore

      NOA or the publisher is the official that examined this media and found it unacceptable. That could refer to anyone that has creative control over something not just the government.

    • PanurgeJr

      If we are following definitions, “official” means “pertaining to one in office.” So yes, that means just the government. Don’t quote a definition you don’t understand.

    • Wolfe

      Methinks you are attempting to redefine the parameters of censorship in an attempt to defend your beloved NoA. A tired practice I’ve seen in these arguments again and again.

      It is censorship. By textbook definition. And you can fill this thread up and down with wordy denials, but all that does is make you look more and more like a shill. Which you likely are in any regard. Either in official, or fanboy capacity.

    • Steve Baltimore

      I’m not the government, but if I wanted to I could censor the letter “Y” just because I don’t like the look of it from the entire comments section. Because as the Co-Owner I am an official of oprainfall.

    • David S

      I think this would be the most hilarious, and informative, thing you could do. Go for it 🙂

  • MonsterGogo

    Yes, you should pay full price for one third of a product, whereas said 1/3 has also had further content removed from it and replaced by nothing. Excellent, why not.

  • William Haderlie

    I’m interested in Josh’s opinion, but I disagree that the game will still be worth it. For me, it is not. Is it the end of the world, or the worst form of censorship? No, certainly not. But it is enough for me personally to turn a game that I would have purchased into one that I will not.

    Other’s opinions on how this alters or does not alter their own view on the game are welcome, but in the end I will hold my own counsel on how I spend my time and what I support. At some point I have to draw a line so that I’m not continually backing myself into a situation that I don’t want with my hobby, feeling like I’m just accepting the crumbs from the adult table and not being respected as a thinking adult, and this crosses that line for me.

    But to each their own. Thanks for the write up Josh and getting your opinion out there in the wilds of the internet.

    • Josh S.

      Glad to contribute to the discussion. Thanks for the sound opinion, William!

  • RpgNostalgia

    It’s interesting to see this advertisement for Fire Emblem Fates in the form of an opinion article. Well played!

  • VanFinale

    This is how the stuff starts it’s always just small stuff that most people wouldn’t mind. Then it gets bigger but it’s justified by oh well we do this already so it isn’t such a big deal that now we remove an optional character. It’s especially troubling with Nintendo because it has been so prominent with them lately and they’re already justifying it with well we’ve always done this so why should we stop now.

    • David S

      What do you mean “start’s with”? They were doing the small changes back in November with the removal of optional costumes in Fatal Frame 5. It’s only February and they’re up to removing entire game features. At this rate by next Christmas they’ll be selling empty game boxes for 79.99.

      “The game was too offensive to localize, but you got the box, so you should be happy. Stop being entitled” -every Nintendo apologist thus far.

  • PanurgeJr

    Dear everyone who believes NoA is being ridiculous, censoring content, sliding happily down the slippery slope, and disrespecting developers and consumers alike:

    Form a publishing company. If this comment thread is to be believed there’s money to be made. Or lost, but with integrity that fights the infringement of our rights.

    • tBanzai

      XSEED is raking in the cash lately, yeah.

    • PanurgeJr

      Then invest. Just don’t be surprised at what localization decisions they make.

    • tBanzai

      I sure am, their localizations have been next to peerless, as of late.

      Despite being such a small company, getting through all the millions of characters of text in games from the Legend of Heroes series while trying to stay as close to the source material as possible with the given caveat that Japanese voice overs could not be legally brought over without unreasonable expenditure is nothing short of amazing. Some localization companies like 8-4 would likely try and replace problematic to translate text like puns or extremely specific local themes with something completely irrelevant to what’s being said in the Japanese script. XSEED just simply doesn’t take the easy way out.

      The only negative I might give them is that they avoid bringing over games that might necessitate censorship because of ESRB shenanigans, but the ESRB is something that’s entirely out of their power.

  • MJ F

    The controversy is just people choosing to get butt-hurt about meaningless changes.

    • Hogtree Octovish

      No, this controversy is just people choosing to get “butthurt” about NoA choosing to get butthurt over a harmless minigame.

    • Guest

      If it’s so harmless, why are you so adamant about its removal?

      Checkmate.

    • Hogtree Octovish

      I’m not sure if you misread my comment or you’re just that dense, but it’s pretty self-evident.
      (If you did misread it, I apologise. I was being facetious.)

      I’m against the removal of content because it’s removing content. (I don’t really know what else to say at this point.)
      Especially, if there’s no real reason to do so.

    • MJ F

      yeah – people should just get over the fact that major companies have to deal with lots of sensitive people when they release their multi-million dollar investments to the mass public.

  • TrueWiiMaster

    I’m still hoping to get the complete edition. While I appreciate that Nintendo’s offering a discount if you buy the versions separately, you have to get two of the three versions digitally. I’d much prefer to have all three versions on a physical cartridge if possible. Besides, even with the discount, buying all three separately costs the same amount as the complete edition, without the extras. If you get a discount, like the 20% off from Amazon or Best Buy, the complete edition would actually be cheaper.

    That said, I’m really looking forward to Fates. It’s up there with Zelda U as one of my most anticipated 2016 games. I loved Awakening, and Fates looks awesome.

  • DariusQ

    The SE sold out so fast online you’d swear it was a rare Amiibo. Bottom line: if I can’t get that SE version I’m gonna pass.

  • Thomas

    Josh, how much did NoA pay you to say this?
    Because if I were to write this article it would be a lot more harsh, cynical, and more in favor on doxxing NoA’s treehouse division for their crimes against video games.
    Come on out Josh or are you scared that I figured you out.
    Fess up that you were paid by NoA or fuck off.

    • Daymon

      Then I guess it’s a good thing you didn’t write this article. Your particular brand of poison is particularly toxic to the video game community.

      People have differing opinions. Much as you have your own opinion (and I have my opinion of your opinion), Josh wrote an article about his opinion. Shocking that it wasn’t funded by Nintendo, but inspired by somebody’s personal opinion, I know.

      Your brand of logic is also very reminiscent of the Salem witch trials – confess or burn. And doxxing? Are you for reals right now? The endorsement and encouragement of that kind of behavior is not only disgusting, but harms the gaming community at large.

  • AonDuine

    Alright. So I just want to say, briefly, a few things. All of which are probably too late to the game to make any difference now, but here goes:

    -The petting game removal makes little difference overall. Similar effects are easily gained in the game regardless. You want it? Buy the Japanese version. Kudos to you as you are free to do so. For those who don’t want to translate their game, you aren’t missing out on anything really.

    -The splitting of the games is fine. They are basically different games with different stories, characters, classes, skills, aesthetic, etc. While they interconnect, they are not like pokemon game reskins that any pokemon fan has grown accustomed to. They are legitimately sold as different games. It is also a cool way to bring the choice of who’s side your on into the real world. It doesn’t feel like a cash grab by nintendo’s part, but even if it was, I am willing to support two games worth every penny.

    -Both games are fantastic and I am looking forward to playing Revelation. I don’t think anyone should miss out on these games.